patches Posted March 14, 2013 Share #276 Posted March 14, 2013 Love those blue shirt pics! Has to be 1970's, look at there hair! As for post 228, those WAF are wearing the WAC colors IMO. Terry Yeah Terry, those sideburns on the second Airman with the cap on are very period 70s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevev22fe Posted September 20, 2013 Share #277 Posted September 20, 2013 Here is my contribution...Here's a little background on these photo's. My Dad enlisted in the USAF in October 1948 and retired in 1968. I was going through his photos and thought you guys would like to his uniforms throughout the years. Lackland AFB - 1948 [/url] Airframe Repair/Sheet Metal - Chanute AFB - 1949 [/url] Airframe Repair/Sheet Metal - Chanute AFB - 1949 [/url] Airframe Repair/Sheet Metal - Chanute AFB - 1950 [/url] Instructor Academy - Class 52A - Maxwell AFB - 1952 [/url] Instructor Academy - Class 52B - Maxwell AFB - 1952 [/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevev22fe Posted September 20, 2013 Share #278 Posted September 20, 2013 Continuing... MSgt Eggers - Beale AFB Base newspaper photo for nomination for SAC NCO of the Year - Note the third ribbon on the top row. I don't know what this one is. MSgt Eggers - Official Photo - Otis AFB - 1967? - Note the instructor badge, third ribbon on top row has been replaced with an Outstanding Unit Award MSgt Eggers uniform in photo above. The blue epaulet sleeve on the left shoulder denoted Strategic Air Command NCO Academy, March AFB, CA which dad attended in 1965. (I put it back on his uniform so it wouldn't get lost.) Unknown pin - Sgt Rank with wings. I don't know if this was an official pin. I didn't see anything like this in this forum. Maybe some here can identify. I have other service coats that my Dad wore during his time in, but they are different shades of blue. I will post pics when I can dig them out. Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted September 20, 2013 Share #279 Posted September 20, 2013 @stevev22fe Interesting pics. Thanks for posting and keeping this great thread going. Question for our many experts out there: Noticed MSgt Eggers has "knots" on his AF Good Conduct. Didn't they come with Oak Leaves, unlike the Army Good Conduct? Or was it optional? (See my old man's ribbon rack, same era, pictured for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 20, 2013 Share #280 Posted September 20, 2013 I just saw the pics in post #343 for the first time. I realize they are "colorized" but I think the bottom one might be in error in that the airman's uniform is probably really OD rather than AF blue. I believe it's from the transitional period when AF insignia was worn on the the old style OD uniform. My reason for this assumption is his Enlisted Airman's collar brass. The cut out wing-prop device would have been brass and was only worn on the OD uniform. Silver examples do exist (I have some) but as far as I'm aware they were never officially adopted. The airman pictured here appears to be wearing silver insignia, but, as I said, I believe this is an error on the part of the colourist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailuna Posted September 20, 2013 Share #281 Posted September 20, 2013 I just saw the pics in post #343 for the first time. I realize they are "colorized" but I think the bottom one might be in error in that the airman's uniform is probably really OD rather than AF blue.... Then we agree (link here)...and his light "blue" necktie is an even more glaring misstep on the part of the colorist than is the off-color collar insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Dail Posted September 21, 2013 Share #282 Posted September 21, 2013 I have my dad's old copy of the Air Force Manual NO.35-10 1 July 1966 Service and Dress Uniforms for Air Force Personnel, I just started scanning it, and was wondering if you would like me to add it to the thread here or post it in a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted September 21, 2013 Share #283 Posted September 21, 2013 @Allen Dail I'd like to see that, wherever you post it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailuna Posted September 21, 2013 Share #284 Posted September 21, 2013 I have my dad's old copy of the Air Force Manual NO.35-10 1 July 1966 Service and Dress Uniforms for Air Force Personnel, I just started scanning it, and was wondering if you would like me to add it to the thread here or post it in a new thread. That would a great reference source for this topic. If you post it in this thread as a .pdf attachment it can be downloaded and saved by Forumers who want to keep a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Dail Posted September 21, 2013 Share #285 Posted September 21, 2013 Ok I will try and get it all scanned and saved as a pdf and post it here when I get it done. I use the libraries scanner, so will not have access to it till monday. I will try and get it done as fast as I can to share with everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted September 22, 2013 Share #286 Posted September 22, 2013 Another type of shoulder loop. Three have a lighter color loop with what I assume are "rank" designators on their loops. "Parsley" has one stripe, "New" has two stripes, and "Edmundson" has three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 22, 2013 Share #287 Posted September 22, 2013 Found him again. Louis Laufer, US Navy 1945. Crash boat insignia? The top insignia is the USN embroidered Submarine badge. The one under that is the Submarine Combat Patrol pin. This photo would have been taken between "47 and "50. The Navy moved the embridered Sub badge to this position in '47. from the right cuff. In 1950, they authorised the silver metal pin on Sub Badge for Enlisted Sailors. My father also left the Navy in '56 for the AF, returning to the Navy in '60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 22, 2013 Share #288 Posted September 22, 2013 More bush jackets... Dated 1959 Odd US insignia placement... Dated 1953 Veterinarians... Dated 1968. In the '53 photo of Louis, the badge under his lappel is a USN Submarine Combat Patrol Badge. I don't know much about AF uniform regs, but this badge was a Combat award, much like the CIB or Combat Medic badges. The Sub Dolphins were a qual badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevev22fe Posted September 24, 2013 Share #289 Posted September 24, 2013 @stevev22fe Interesting pics. Thanks for posting and keeping this great thread going. Question for our many experts out there: Noticed MSgt Eggers has "knots" on his AF Good Conduct. Didn't they come with Oak Leaves, unlike the Army Good Conduct? Or was it optional? (See my old man's ribbon rack, same era, pictured for comparison. I haven't been able to find any reference on the knots on the AF Good Conduct ribbon. Obviously, they were authorized at some point. I wonder if it was one of those instances where they were authorized of you have them, but at some point you had to convert. Since my dad retired in 1968, I wonder if there was a conversion date of the like 1970, but since retirement was approaching, he didn't bother changing them out. Something else, my dad was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, but he's not wearing in any of his photos. He was awarded both the Army and the AF Commendation medal at separate times in his career. I don't know the reason why it's not on his rack. The unfortunate part is that he is longer with us to ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted September 24, 2013 Share #290 Posted September 24, 2013 @stevev22fe It seems the Air Force Good Conduct Medal was authorized on June 1, 1963, with Oak Leaves for additional awards, replacing the Army Good Conduct Medal. So, I suppose that means anybody continuing to use knots on the new medal / ribbon, wasn't following regulations. But as we've seen many times on this thread, that certainly isn't unusual..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevev22fe Posted September 26, 2013 Share #291 Posted September 26, 2013 Blue 84 Service coat - October 1949 date on coat. I think this was one of my Dad's first coats. I turned the sleeves inside out and I could see the puncture marks for the different size stripes. Blue 84 Service Coat - Different manufacturer tag. The shade, when held next to the coat above, is just a little different even though it states Blue 84. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItemCo16527 Posted September 28, 2013 Share #292 Posted September 28, 2013 My uncle Russ, circa 1954-55: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItemCo16527 Posted September 28, 2013 Share #293 Posted September 28, 2013 Russ again, this time at McMurdo in Antarctica - one of his five trips there - circa 1957-58 I'd guess: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Dail Posted September 29, 2013 Share #294 Posted September 29, 2013 I finally got the time to upload to google docs the pdf I made of my Dads copy of Air Force Manual No 35-10 from 1 July 1966 Service And Dress Uniforms for Air Force Personnel. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByIevZlScdRiS21XbUE2ZktmTDQ/edit?usp=sharing I set it so people that click the link can view it. I hope it works this is my first time making a pdf and uploading it to the web. The scanner I used made some of the pages yellower but it is in the scanner program some would be fine and some not. It is still readable and viewable. The can tell it was well viewed by myself and siblings, we even added some scribbles and I also had to erase some pencil shading.lol I also forgot to add I did not scan the blank pages at the end of each section, as it would have been exrtra work for blank pages and no info was lost. I hope everyone finds this useful. Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share #295 Posted September 29, 2013 I'm selling a 1949-dated USAF uniform and while the coat's 1949 label was cool, the trouser label was a real surprise: USAF trousers courtesy of the Marine Corps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailuna Posted September 29, 2013 Share #296 Posted September 29, 2013 ...I hope everyone finds this useful... It is very useful and a great addition to our collective knowledge. Thanks for posting the entire here. It answers or otherwise sheds new light on some longstanding questions scattered throughout this thread, as well as preemptively answering other questions not yet asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailuna Posted October 11, 2013 Share #297 Posted October 11, 2013 MSgt Eggers - Beale AFB Base newspaper photo for nomination for SAC NCO of the Year - Note the third ribbon on the top row. I don't know what this one is. That is the ribbon for the Presidential Unit Citation and it appears to have at least one oak leaf cluster attached to it (link here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevev22fe Posted October 11, 2013 Share #298 Posted October 11, 2013 That is the ribbon for the Presidential Unit Citation and it appears to have at least one oak leaf cluster attached to it (link here). Thanks!! (I meant to write second ribbon on top row) Although, I find this interesting...I wonder why my dad wasn't wearing it later (prior to retirement). I think I am going to have to go digging through his 201 file and see if I can figure out what the deal is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailuna Posted October 12, 2013 Share #299 Posted October 12, 2013 ...go digging through his 201 file and see...what the deal is... Here is a WAG for you: The USAF generally followed Army rules on wearing awards and decorations until late in the transitional period. The Army rule on the PUC was (and is) that it could be worn as a permanent award by anyone who was assigned to the unit during the period for which the award was made (or attached and present for 30 days with the unit during the award period) and as a temporary award by anyone assigned or attached to the unit in the future. This is why you might encounter today an Army PFC currently assigned to 31st Infantry Regiment who wears 31st Inf.’s PUC with 2 oak leaf clusters, which the regiment earned more than 70 years ago for gallantry in action during the fall of the Philippines (and which might have been well before even the present-day PFC’s grandfather was born). Your father’s two pictures from ca. 1960s, one with the PUC and one without the PUC, suggest that he was following the Army’s temporary wear rule in picture 1, but was not in picture 2 as he was not then assigned to a unit with PUC credit (n.b.: the temporary wear rule no longer exists in the USAF according the link cited in preceding post). What was your father's unit at Beale AFB? 31st Bombardment Squadron was there from 1960 to 1963 and it was awarded two PUCs for WWII service and one PUC for Korean War service. 744th Bombardment Squadron picked at Beale where 31st BS left off in 1963 and 744th had credit for one PUC for WWII service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wailuna Posted October 14, 2013 Share #300 Posted October 14, 2013 Here is a first for this thread: An SSI for WWII service worn on a khaki short sleeve shirt. The Master Sergeant wearing the Sixth Air Force SSI is identified as Jesse C. Moore, Sergeant Major, 1162nd USAF Dispensary (picture scanned from the McGuire AFB 1957 yearbook). Both Master Sergeant Moore and the unidentified A1C shown here are wearing short sleeve modifications of standard Army issue khaki long sleeve shirts, which was part of the authorized summer uniform in the USAF until Sept. 30, 1959. There are dozens pictures in this book of officers and other enlisted men wearing both long and short sleeve khaki shirts but M/Sgt. Moore is the only one them sporting a WWII service patch on the short sleeve version. M/Sgt. Moore presumably left the patch that already was on a long sleeve shirt (which would have been unexceptional under USAF rules at that time) when he had it cut-down to a short sleeve version, hence this unusual transitional patch sighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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