tmackie Posted November 3, 2009 Share #101 Posted November 3, 2009 Has anyone an example of a the USAF White Uniform from like 1956? It was one that was around only like a year or so and from what I understand in the cut of the modern USAF class A jacket. Hi Chad...I have one in my collection. it was worn by a General in the mid-late 50s. It's in exactly the same cut as the class A blouse but of a very fine, thin material. Will try to post some photos later. Cheers Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted November 3, 2009 Share #102 Posted November 3, 2009 Hi Chad...I have one in my collection. it was worn by a General in the mid-late 50s. It's in exactly the same cut as the class A blouse but of a very fine, thin material. Will try to post some photos later. Cheers Tim Is your the four pocket style? I've read (I think in an USAF Officers Guide) about a white USAF uniform that had two pockets on the waist & a flapless pocket on the left chest just like the modern cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmackie Posted November 3, 2009 Share #103 Posted November 3, 2009 Is your the four pocket style? I've read (I think in an USAF Officers Guide) about a white USAF uniform that had two pockets on the waist & a flapless pocket on the left chest just like the modern cut. Mine is 4 pocket version and identical to regular bouse of the period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 3, 2009 Share #104 Posted November 3, 2009 That's it! I've never seen the mini ribbons. Does anyone have examples? Me neither. If you look at the diagram the shape of the lapels suggest the miniature ribbons were intended foe wear by female personnel? Ian :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted November 3, 2009 Share #105 Posted November 3, 2009 Me neither. If you look at the diagram the shape of the lapels suggest the miniature ribbons were intended foe wear by female personnel? Ian :thumbsup: It shows both male & female tunics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebel Posted November 3, 2009 Share #106 Posted November 3, 2009 Hi Thank you for sharing with us all these good informations. I am only collecting 50's USAF and USN pilot gears but I am interested by all that concerns this transitional period. I would like to know more particulary how recognize an original officer blue flight cap? Franck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 3, 2009 Share #107 Posted November 3, 2009 HiThank you for sharing with us all these good informations. I am only collecting 50's USAF and USN pilot gears but I am interested by all that concerns this transitional period. I would like to know more particulary how recognize an original officer blue flight cap? Franck Blue serge or blue worsted with black/silver metallic piping for winter wear, khaki or "silver sand" worsted with the same piping for summer wear. Officers' caps, being privately purchased, tend not to have dated labels like Airmen's flight caps, so it can be difficult to date them precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #108 Posted November 4, 2009 Is your the four pocket style? I've read (I think in an USAF Officers Guide) about a white USAF uniform that had two pockets on the waist & a flapless pocket on the left chest just like the modern cut. I have white 4-pocket USAF officer uniform with epaulet-board bullion captain's rank, and sliver braid around the cuffs. But unfortunately no label in jacket or pants. I was told this was from the 70s. Anyone care to clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #109 Posted November 4, 2009 I have white 4-pocket USAF officer uniform with epaulet-board bullion captain's rank, and sliver braid around the cuffs. But unfortunately no label in jacket or pants. I was told this was from the 70s. Anyone care to clarify? Correction: uniform not dated, but shoulder ranks are tagged 1983 (bullion on a board of dark blue material, not older style black-wool type). So, anyone know the dates this style of white uniform was in use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted November 4, 2009 Share #110 Posted November 4, 2009 Here is a link to a page refering to the US Air Force white tropical dress uniform as adopted in 1955. The 1956 Air Officer Guide mentions them. I can't get the picture saved to put on here but you can go to the link and look at the 3rd line of photos down. http://usafflagranks.com/usaf_tropical_dress_uniform.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted November 4, 2009 Share #111 Posted November 4, 2009 Correction: uniform not dated, but shoulder ranks are tagged 1983 (bullion on a board of dark blue material, not older style black-wool type). So, anyone know the dates this style of white uniform was in use? That's the White Ceremonial Dress uniform that was adopted in 1986 and used till 1995. From 1963 till 1983 the White Informal Dress was cut like the blue Class A coat but in white with shoulder loops for the ranks which were replaced with the boards in '86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #112 Posted November 4, 2009 That's the White Ceremonial Dress uniform that was adopted in 1986 and used till 1995. From 1963 till 1983 the White Informal Dress was cut like the blue Class A coat but in white with shoulder loops for the ranks which were replaced with the boards in '86. Thanks for the info....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted November 4, 2009 Share #113 Posted November 4, 2009 Correction: uniform not dated, but shoulder ranks are tagged 1983 (bullion on a board of dark blue material, not older style black-wool type).So, anyone know the dates this style of white uniform was in use? Here are a few webshots of the White and Blue Ceremonial Dress uniform.and two pictures from my USAF Officer's Guide dated 1989DEAD LINK 1/3/17 DWIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willysmb44 Posted November 4, 2009 Share #114 Posted November 4, 2009 Although not exactly “transition” I have a class A set complete with a crusher cap with a WW2 pattern officer’s eagle in silver, worn by a former 91st BG B-17 pilot who was in the MD Air National Guard at the time flying P-47s (F-47s at the time). Sadly, it has no insignia other that on the hat. I also have my father’s “bush jacket” from his service in 1957-58 (maybe more than one, I need to look again) but that’s not a transitional item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerArmoury Posted November 4, 2009 Share #115 Posted November 4, 2009 Fast work there! Yes, seems to be that one disc per lapel was the rule, which makes sense. But as you imply, personnel bent rules! By the way, I have examples of cut-out wing collar discs but silver in color. Obviously predating the silver US worn on USAF blues, and I presume coming after the brass. But I have yet to ever see a uniform with this insignia attached. Know anything about them? Didn't CAP use some silver officer style & EM style winged propellors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 4, 2009 Share #116 Posted November 4, 2009 FYI, Schiffer has an extensive two volume set coming out early next year covering USAF uniforms from 1947 to the present. Hi. Do you happen to know the working title / author of this expected publication. I visited the Schiffer and Amazon websites but various "USAF" searches didn't throw anything up. Thanks. Sabrejet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Ragan Posted November 4, 2009 Share #117 Posted November 4, 2009 Didn't CAP use some silver officer style & EM style winged propellors? Yes, Civil Air Patrol used all silver winged prop officer insignia the whole time they wore Army style officer uniforms. Official dates of use were from July 1942 to Jan. 1955. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zingo Posted November 4, 2009 Share #118 Posted November 4, 2009 Hi. Do you happen to know the working title / author of this expected publication. I visited the Schiffer and Amazon websites but various "USAF" searches didn't throw anything up. Thanks. Sabrejet http://schiffermilitary.com/whatsnew.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 4, 2009 Share #119 Posted November 4, 2009 http://schiffermilitary.com/whatsnew.htm Found it..thank you. I look forward to getting myself a copy. A book dealing with this general area of collecting is well overdue! Schiffer usually do a good job so it should be worth the wait. Ian :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bebel Posted November 4, 2009 Share #120 Posted November 4, 2009 Blue serge or blue worsted with black/silver metallic piping for winter wear, khaki or "silver sand" worsted with the same piping for summer wear. Officers' caps, being privately purchased, tend not to have dated labels like Airmen's flight caps, so it can be difficult to date them precisely. Thank you! Franck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notinfringed Posted November 4, 2009 Share #121 Posted November 4, 2009 I just picked up this transitional Ike jacket, dated 1950. I was quite excited to find that it was made in Japan. Levi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 5, 2009 Share #122 Posted November 5, 2009 That's a really neat find! Now the quest should be on to track down a suitable theatre-made patch for it, along with some period USAF collar insignia and a ribbon-bar reflecting service in the Pacific theatre. Good hunting! Sabrejet :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted November 6, 2009 Share #123 Posted November 6, 2009 Found this group shot on USAF site. Seems they got these folks together earlier this year to depict changes in AF uniforms over the decades. Everything seems authentic -- except the footwear! (If anybody wants to see a more detailed view, let me know and I'll send over the original very large-size picture.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astra44 Posted November 6, 2009 Share #124 Posted November 6, 2009 Not all of these are transitional, but are AF chevron variations thru the years, and all obsolete now. Starting at bottom left, counter clockwise: 1. Theater made subdued, Vietnam era. Can anyone tell me when subdued chevrons were first officially approved? Seems like a lot of guys had them made before USAF got around to supplying them. 2. Bullion, formal dress. 50s? 60s? 70s? 3. Prop & Wing, 1930s/1940s era. I understand that various branches of the army had insignia on their chevrons, but heard this was frowned upon by the time WWII broke out. However, been told that some AAF guys continued to wear this type. 4. Yellow on red, transitional? Never seen any reference to these. But they feel right, smell right to me. Someone suggested they were proposed for use on USAF Fire Protection uniforms?? 5. "Vandenberg" style horizontal, early 50s, never officially issued. 6. Apparently another transitional prototype, utilizing the AAF colors. Were these ever used? Again, never seen any reference to these, but they feel right to me: cut-edge, old looking manufacture. 7. White on white, formal dress. Year first worn? Last used? Please shed some light on use (or non-use) of any of these chevrons ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louie Posted November 6, 2009 Author Share #125 Posted November 6, 2009 Not all of these are transitional, but are AF chevron variations thru the years, and all obsolete now. Starting at bottom left, counter clockwise: 1. Theater made subdued, Vietnam era. Can anyone tell me when subdued chevrons were first officially approved? Seems like a lot of guys had them made before USAF got around to supplying them. 2. Bullion, formal dress. 50s? 60s? 70s? 3. Prop & Wing, 1930s/1940s era. I understand that various branches of the army had insignia on their chevrons, but heard this was frowned upon by the time WWII broke out. However, been told that some AAF guys continued to wear this type. 4. Yellow on red, transitional? Never seen any reference to these. But they feel right, smell right to me. Someone suggested they were proposed for use on USAF Fire Protection uniforms?? 5. "Vandenberg" style horizontal, early 50s, never officially issued. 6. Apparently another transitional prototype, utilizing the AAF colors. Were these ever used? Again, never seen any reference to these, but they feel right to me: cut-edge, old looking manufacture. 7. White on white, formal dress. Year first worn? Last used? Please shed some light on use (or non-use) of any of these chevrons ! On number 3 I have maybe 5 or so uniforms w/ the wing and prop from WW2 so they did use them, but not that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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