Eltee120 Posted June 15, 2016 Share #51 Posted June 15, 2016 Well I certainly will recount what I know. Facts and figures I know little of though as I said I will call my cousin and see what he can share. For the record my name is Mike Goldman. Hyman the founder was my great grandfather. When you see the names on the patents I can tell you I knew those people. They were my grand uncles and cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMI88 Posted June 15, 2016 Share #52 Posted June 15, 2016 I'd say that was a cap he acquired after his return and somewhere along the way his cadet insignia was affixed to it, but it is not a cadet cap as it doesn't have the blue cap band. The blue cap band was often a removable piece that simply buttoned onto a regulation cap. In fact, I've never seen a cap constructed with an integral blue band, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It makes sense though that during wartime they wouldn't manufacture a special cap that could only be worn for a short period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted June 16, 2016 Share #53 Posted June 16, 2016 The blue cap band was often a removable piece that simply buttoned onto a regulation cap. In fact, I've never seen a cap constructed with an integral blue band, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It makes sense though that during wartime they wouldn't manufacture a special cap that could only be worn for a short period of time. I agree that they were removable, but for the insignia to make sense on that visor, it should have a blue band. Here's one I have, there is no officer's mohair band under it, just the cap fabric: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocietyBrandHatCo Posted June 16, 2016 Share #54 Posted June 16, 2016 Well I certainly will recount what I know. Facts and figures I know little of though as I said I will call my cousin and see what he can share. For the record my name is Mike Goldman. Hyman the founder was my great grandfather. When you see the names on the patents I can tell you I knew those people. They were my grand uncles and cousins. Mike, glad to meet your acquaintance. I look forward to reading your future posts about Bancroft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocietyBrandHatCo Posted June 16, 2016 Share #55 Posted June 16, 2016 I agree that they were removable, but for the insignia to make sense on that visor, it should have a blue band. Here's one I have, there is no officer's mohair band under it, just the cap fabric: Matt, who was the maker of that cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted June 16, 2016 Share #56 Posted June 16, 2016 Matt, who was the maker of that cap? Unknown, there was a 'home-plate' shaped sweatshield at one time, but it is long gone leaving only the outline. Mike, thanks for contributing and welcome aboard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAF_Collection Posted June 16, 2016 Share #57 Posted June 16, 2016 Unknown, there was a 'home-plate' shaped sweatshield at one time, but it is long gone leaving only the outline. Mike, thanks for contributing and welcome aboard! Matt, I've done some research into Aviation Cadet uniforms and there was in fact a cap produced under contract specifically for cadets. Is the lining of yours a bronze/rust colored satin like fabric? and have you looked under the sweatband? the contract info is often stamped under it. Matt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted June 16, 2016 Share #58 Posted June 16, 2016 Here's the interior. Size tag under the sweatband: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted June 16, 2016 Share #59 Posted June 16, 2016 With the sweatband flipped up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardheaded Posted June 17, 2016 Share #60 Posted June 17, 2016 On most navy caps, the side buttons unscrew allowing for removal of the strap and the top. It can then be laundered. A washcloth dampened with warm water should wipe up the visor. I have numerous Bancroft caps. This is my latest, a 1958 army field grade (major and above) dress cap. I believe this was a cap contracted by the government to be sold in PXs to officers, hence the lack of Bancroft label on the lining. 1958 Bancroft field grade trim.jpg 1958 Bancroft field grade 2 trim.jpg 1958 Bancroft field grade 4 trim.jpg There's probably a lot of hats like this but here's one with Bancroft all around the top edge of the sweatband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardheaded Posted June 17, 2016 Share #61 Posted June 17, 2016 Picked up a large grouping the other day and while we were discussing the grouping the guy said "Here, I'll throw these covers in also". Wasn't real excited about a bag of covers but opened it up today and looks like they're replacement covers? Cool! About 20 of them. The blue and white tag is Bancroft (for 50 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocietyBrandHatCo Posted June 17, 2016 Share #62 Posted June 17, 2016 Matt, I've done some research into Aviation Cadet uniforms and there was in fact a cap produced under contract specifically for cadets. Is the lining of yours a bronze/rust colored satin like fabric? and have you looked under the sweatband? the contract info is often stamped under it. Matt. I used to have one. It was made without the braid. It just looked like an enlisted cap made from OD 51 elastique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SocietyBrandHatCo Posted June 17, 2016 Share #63 Posted June 17, 2016 Picked up a large grouping the other day and while we were discussing the grouping the guy said "Here, I'll throw these covers in also". Wasn't real excited about a bag of covers but opened it up today and looks like they're replacement covers? Cool! About 20 of them. The blue and white tag is Bancroft (for 50 years). If you decide to get rid of any of those let me know. I may be in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted June 17, 2016 Share #64 Posted June 17, 2016 There's probably a lot of hats like this but here's one with Bancroft all around the top edge of the sweatband. Nice pick up! I think I have one like that, a 1960s USAF cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardheaded Posted June 18, 2016 Share #65 Posted June 18, 2016 Nice pick up! I think I have one like that, a 1960s USAF cap. Thanks! A few Aviation Cadet hats for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted June 18, 2016 Share #66 Posted June 18, 2016 I see a few guys wearing wings already. I wonder if they were enlisted men wearing authorized gunners (authorized on April 29, 1943) or aircrew wings that got selected for bombardier training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Howdy Posted January 8, 2021 Share #67 Posted January 8, 2021 Any Bancroft experts still out there? I'm trying to date this beret. It says "50 Years" not "Over 50 Years" It is made in France, Basque Beret...... Any help greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Howdy Posted January 8, 2021 Share #68 Posted January 8, 2021 SAR wing came with it. Waiting for it to arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Howdy Posted January 9, 2021 Share #69 Posted January 9, 2021 Jan 9, 2021 12:03am PROCESSED THROUGH USPS FACILITY INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46241 Jan 6, 2021 8:50pm ARRIVE USPS FACILITY KEARNY, NJ 07032 Jan 6, 2021 2:02pm PROCESSED THROUGH USPS FACILITY INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46241 Jan 6, 2021 3:17am DEPART USPS FACILITY ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007 I live in NJ. No wonder the SAR beret is late arriving. It looks like the post office does this stuff on purpose!🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Howdy Posted January 13, 2021 Share #70 Posted January 13, 2021 Correction: the wool was made in France, WPL 8206 Anybody out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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