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Guys, take a look at eBay 360199233567. It's advertised as an original 1st Division helmet. I'm assuming that it's a fake, but will some of the more experienced members take a look and tell me, how good a fake is it? It may be an opportunity to learn something.

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Bill

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It looks good to me and I dont collect helmets. Usually when something is fake, it looks fake. This looks real.

 

Kurt

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I have problems with this lid! First, the net scrim looks new to me! Also, the black paint looks fresh to me. A name and serial number on the pot straps could come from anybody. I am going to say that this is a top-notch fake! :)

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

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It looks good to me and I dont collect helmets. Usually when something is fake, it looks fake. This looks real.

 

Kurt

 

 

Check out www.toppots.net They specialise in what they call "artefakes"...original M1s painted up / weathered, but openly sold as such (expensive too!) They currently have some 1st Div marked M1s on ebay. Just punch it in.

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Another red flag: He states that there is a serial number on the steel pot's chinstrap, but he does not mention that there is also, what looks like,

 

a serial number and/or name inside the shell itself! Wonder if they match! :) Actually, looking inside the steel pot, there is a good bit of writing and he does not mention it! Hummm! :)

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

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There are some characteristics that call this into question such as the heavy rust staining on the inside of the helmet that does not appear to have been transferred to the liner as one would expect. I'd ask the seller for a complete photo of the exterior of the liner. Outside of that question, this one looks pretty good and only a hands on inspection would confirm the legitimacy of this helmet. However, it's a non-helmet issue that concerns me: the seller has a "WILL NOT ACCEPT RETURNS" policy. :think:

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no returns-- GOOD BYE!!! this person sells :think: many lids. there is a sn on the chin strap? get it and research it. see if a name comes up and then check it out if he was 1st div. auction ends about a week from today so you have time. besides-- was'nt the bro stenciled and some free hand painted? this one appears to have both. a stenciled 1 and a sloppy black sheild. it looks mighty convincing but, then again its on sleeze pay. :think:

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Another red flag: He states that there is a serial number on the steel pot's chinstrap, but he does not mention that there is also, what looks like,

 

a serial number and/or name inside the shell itself! Wonder if they match! :) Actually, looking inside the steel pot, there is a good bit of writing and he does not mention it! Hummm! :)

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

 

Please enlighten me. I used the zoom tool and see no writing inside, just lots of rust.

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On an item that should end up being VERY expensive if real, a no return policy is my personal stop sign. :thumbdown: I would not go there and do not suggest that any one on this forum do so either. As Bugme said, this one requires a hands on to verify and that is not possible.

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Just a follow-up to a couple of the postings: The seller has emailed that he is unable to read the serial number on the helmet's straps, and from what he says it is more likely a laundry number anyway. But that avenue of inquiry is closed.

 

Bill

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I guess the next time I try to sell a legitimate one I need to drag it through $%$#$^&*&* to get it to sell.............. :crying: Look at the paint...looks new to me........Mike

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FWIW...It looks to me like the liner "1" is does in nail polish. Vintage nail polish at that. Not that my opinion matters here.

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I emailed and got the same type of reply

''The serial number is faded but looks like the following: S0887 or S0227

or S0889 ? Or a name Sazzy? Has to be one of these.''

It's hard to say, some things i dont like, others look good. If it had a returnable period, i'd be in the bidding quite quickly, but it's a big turnoff as others have mentioned. Why wouldnt someone let you return an item, especially with all the fakes? Because they are trying to hide somethig

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FWIW...It looks to me like the liner "1" is does in nail polish. Vintage nail polish at that. Not that my opinion matters here.

Jake, your opinion, especially yours, always matters here! Red nail polish for the "1"? I hadn't considered that but, that's a definite possibility and it makes sense.

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well im glad of 2 things 1 i have hardly any money so i cant bid on these types of lid & 2 i joined here which has been such an eye opener as to how good these fakes are :thumbdown: :dry:

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Well guys, the bidding has ended!! Either he was lucky or a fool!! :) Must have been for some big bucks!

 

Cheers,

 

Mike

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well im glad of 2 things 1 i have hardly any money so i cant bid on these types of lid & 2 i joined here which has been such an eye opener as to how good these fakes are :thumbdown: :dry:

 

 

Fakes - Schmakes! I get really tee'd off by this whole fake/repro industry which has really mushroomed since "...Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers" first hit our screens When I began collecting back in the early 80s it was real or nothing! If you wanted to re-enact WW2 you had to find an original uniform that fit, plus all of the webgear etc to go with it. Now the whole kit can be bought "off the peg"...any size you want. That's progress? (Not to this collector it isn't!)

 

Back then, if you found a marked-up helmet it was almost certainly genuine...there wasn't a whole cottage industry devoted to turning out "barn find" helmets like there is today. Ask youself this..where WERE all of these Ranger/Airborne/Big Red One helmets then? Lying in a French barn awaiting discovery in the 21st Century?! I don't think so!

 

I admit to committing some cardinal sins myself by adding a Capt's or Lt's bar to some original WW2 M1s from my own collection...but not for profit or to deceive. I did it simply for display purposes because original marked helmets were so scarce. I stiil have them. Nowadays, they ALL seem to sport bars back and front and on their liners too. Throw in a Ranger diamond or two or an Airborne tac sign and .......kerchinggg!! I swear there are more "original" Airborne/ Ranger helmets in the hands of collectors now than were ever worn by the men themselves (same applies to uniforms too)

 

Rant over...sorry guys..but things ain't what they used to be! :crying:

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well i for one will stay away from marked helmets unless i can buy from some one that is trusted these types of lid are to much of a mine field for me :blink::wacko:

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There are,currently in auction,or just ended auction,"painted and badged" M-1 Helmets with markings,attributed to the 1st,34th,9th Infantry Divisions, 101st Airborne division,and Ranger M1 helmets.

 

How is it,that NOW,all (or at least a good portion) the M-1 helmets you find have artwork on them,and have somehow survived 60 + years? I remember when helmets with anything "painted" on them were the exception to the rule,and when no one wanted those kind-hell, you couldn't give one away hardly. Now,people realize M-1 helmets with stuff on them are worth big bucks,and they are now turning up in the dozens,DAILY,on ebay ect. How?

 

I stay away from any WWII stuff,Geman "nazi" stuff,and VN SF/Ranger/LRP/LRRP/SEAL stuff because so much of it is fake.Look no farther than Bill Brooks to see what I mean,and of course,it is ALL "authentic". Yeah,right. Made yesterday in France,Belgium,Vn,Thailand ect.

 

Collecting,for me, lost the "fun" quotient long ago. I collect my own,issued stuff now, as I know at least it isnt fake.Sad.

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There are,currently in auction,or just ended auction,"painted and badged" M-1 Helmets with markings,attributed to the 1st,34th,9th Infantry Divisions, 101st Airborne division,and Ranger M1 helmets.

 

How is it,that NOW,all (or at least a good portion) the M-1 helmets you find have artwork on them,and have somehow survived 60 + years? I remember when helmets with anything "painted" on them were the exception to the rule,and when no one wanted those kind-hell, you couldn't give one away hardly. Now,people realize M-1 helmets with stuff on them are worth big bucks,and they are now turning up in the dozens,DAILY,on ebay ect. How?

 

I stay away from any WWII stuff,Geman "nazi" stuff,and VN SF/Ranger/LRP/LRRP/SEAL stuff because so much of it is fake.Look no farther than Bill Brooks to see what I mean,and of course,it is ALL "authentic". Yeah,right. Made yesterday in France,Belgium,Vn,Thailand ect.

 

Collecting,for me, lost the "fun" quotient long ago. I collect my own,issued stuff now, as I know at least it isnt fake.Sad.

 

 

Call me a cynic, but unless the painted helmet comes out of a footlocker which hasn't been opened for at least 65 years and is presented to you personally by the vet or his immediate family, I'd proceed with extreme caution before handing over your hard earned! (Wouldn't surprise me if Gen. Patton's gloss-painted liner shows up on ebay sometime!!) :thumbdown:

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