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All,

 

Thank you for this fun thread!

 

Here is a picture of my Eddystone M1917 Rifles, along with my Model 1903 Colt New Army Revolver. Why the revolver? Some of you may know that I'm into Thompsons. What do Thompsons have to do with turn of the century revolvers and M1917 Rifles, you might ask? Well, they are all tied together through history by John T. Thompson, namesake of the Thompson Submachine Gun.

 

From 1901-1903, Captain John T. Thompson was the Inspector of Pistols for the United States Army. My Model 1903 Colt New Army Revolver bears his inspector initials of "JTT" at the top of the frame, just above and behind the cylinder on the left side.

 

In 1914, Colonel Thompson retired from the military to work for Remington Arms Co., and was given the responsibility to design and build the largest small arms production facility in the world at the time. This project became the Eddystone Plant in Pennsylvania, where P14's were made for the British, along with Mosin-Nagants for the Russians, and subsequently, U.S. M1917 Rifles were produced there. Thompson also previously supervised the development of the M1903 Rifle.

 

When the U.S. became involved in WWI, Thompson went back to the Army, and was promoted to Brigadier General. He became the Director of Arsenals, and was in charge of all small arms manufacturing, including U.S. M1917 Rifles.

 

The top M1917 in the picture is quite a nice example, and has the appropriate M1917 Kerr sling. In the lower left corner, you can see two original flyers (displayed front and back) that accompanied M1917 slings, showing how to install them on the M1917 Rifle. The Kerr Adjustable Sling is the appropriate sling for this rifle, although certainly M1907 slings were also used.

 

You may notice that the second rifle, also an Eddystone, is shorter than the one above it. This has been a subject of curiosity for me for more than 20 years. It appears to have been arsenal reworked into a shorter rifle. Nothing about this rifle says "sporter." There apparently were some M1917 Rifles that were shortened for use by Filipino troops. I have corresponded with Bruce Canfield about my rifle, and he does not believe it is one of the Filipino examples, and we could not come to a conclusion as to why it was shortened. The person it was purchased from in the 1980's indicated it had been shortened for Navy service, but I have never found documentation to support his claim. If anyone has further information about my short M1917 Rifle, please post here, or contact me at my e-mail address listed below.

 

The other paper items in the picture are a 1943 Base Shop Data manual for the M1917, a 1918 manual, and a 1918 Soldier's Handbook. I have also had many copies in the past of FM 23-6, which was published in two versions during WWII for the M1917 Rifle. I sold all my copies of these manuals, but I have included 2 pictures of different examples of them.

 

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The M1917 is my favorite bolt action military rifle.

 

Thanks!

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

In regards to the shortened rifle. Is there any chance it was shortened for cadet use? I have read the US shortened some Mosin-Nagants made by Remington but, not delivered to the Russians for cadet use.

(BTW, C.S.Ferris's book about the 1917 rifle doesn't make asny refernece to a shortened rifle if you have not checked there).

Keith

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In regards to the shortened rifle. Is there any chance it was shortened for cadet use? I have read the US shortened some Mosin-Nagants made by Remington but, not delivered to the Russians for cadet use.

(BTW, C.S.Ferris's book about the 1917 rifle doesn't make asny refernece to a shortened rifle if you have not checked there).

Keith

 

KeithL,

 

I have the Ferris M1917 book, and also noticed that it does not have any information about a short rifle. It really is a mystery that I would love to solve. Thanks for posting about the cadet rifle. I'm not sure if that's what it is, but it's another possibility, I suppose.

 

Thanks!

 

David Albert

dalbert@sturmgewehr.com

NRA Life Member
Past President, The American Thompson Association
American Society of Arms Collectors
Ohio Gun Collectors Association
Carbine Club
Garand Collectors Association

International Ammunition Association
Contributing Writer, Small Arms Review Magazine
Co-Author, "Thompson Manuals, Catalogs, & Other Paper Items" Collector Guide
One of the "Other Authors" of "The Ultimate Thompson Book," by Tracie L. Hill
Eagle Scout, and Member of NESA

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Here are my two Model 1917 rifles.
The Remington is on top (8-18) wearing the darker walnut stock and the Winchester is on the bottom (9-18) wearing the lighter walnut stock.
Kim

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My M1917 Eddystone, all "E" marked. Bought it for 95.00 in 1992. Those were the days!

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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stewart Mill

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All original, matching and unmessed with M1917 Rifle made by Remington and with a 9 - 18 dated barrel.

 

Note the rare, original Soldiers handbook for the rifle.

 

Bob

Very interesting cartrdige belt. id like some more info on that if possible please :thumbsup:

Eric Ryan

Hospital Corpsman (Seaman)

US Navy

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These are the pics that disappeared from this post

Here are the barrel markings.


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Receiver markings.

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