Paul S Posted October 6, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 6, 2009 I've seen F.W. Assmann made wings for the Navigator, Bombardier, and this Flight Engineer rating. Did they make others such as Pilot, Sr. Pilot, Cmd Pilot, Aircrew, and Aerial Gunner? Anyone have any pictures of them to post? What are your thoughts as to their scarcity...I have seen very few of them offered on eBay over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankEaton01 Posted October 6, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 6, 2009 Wing badges aren't my primary collecting interest, but I have picked up a few over the years. Here's an Assmann USAF Command Pilot wing that I used to own about five years ago. DEAD LINKS EDITED 12/27/2017 DWIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted October 6, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 6, 2009 I've owned an Assman-made basic Para badge and a Glider man. I would rate any Occupation-made badge or DI by a German firm as very scarce. Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arclight Posted October 6, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 6, 2009 Whenever I hear of that jeweller, Assmann, I think of the Seinfeld episode in which Kramer gets the proctologists' license tag instead of the one he should've gotten. Anyway, Assmann really did do some quality work. To me, anything they produced is very desirable. Gorgeous wings, btw! g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted October 6, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 6, 2009 My navigator wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted October 7, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 7, 2009 Paul, I have seen several ASSMANN marked pilots wings so i know they exist. I noted a recdent post WW2 wing sell on ebay of the same typical pattern marked with a raised 333 IIRC. I see your FE is marked in the same location... dual numbers for the attached device? Just a guess. John BTW I owe ya a photo... I will see if I can get to that Tuesday post work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cain Posted October 8, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 8, 2009 ASSMANN made pretty much all of the US and even some British insignia from about 1946-47 till the 1970's I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie-Wings Posted October 10, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2009 Hi All, Thought I would add my 2 inch Liasion Pilot wing by Assman to the thread. Cheers, AW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie-Wings Posted October 10, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 10, 2009 Back Hallmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted October 10, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 10, 2009 Thanks for posting... It will be interesting to see other examples our fellow collectors have. Cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted October 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 10, 2009 Here's an Assman made Pilot wing with their hallmark and the number "322" on the back. I see the Command Pilot wing listed above has the number "320". I assume the Senior Pilot wing would therefore have the numer 321? I also included images of a Glider Pilot, Liaison Pilot and Service Pilot which I believe were made by Assman, however they have no markings on the back. I don't know of another wing producer who used vertical instead of horizonal lines in the shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted October 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 10, 2009 Second image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted October 10, 2009 Share #13 Posted October 10, 2009 Third image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted October 10, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 10, 2009 There is a CP wing on Ebay if anyone wanted one although the price is... well I will let you form your own opinion. 370272992379 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share #15 Posted October 10, 2009 Thanks to all of you for posting...this is turning out to be an interesting and informative thread. Here is a bombardier I found some time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share #16 Posted October 10, 2009 Here is a picture I found of the Assmann factory located in Lüdenscheid, a town about 25-30 miles east of Düsseldorf. Their wings appear to follow Balfour detailing, at least in the navigator armillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBMflyer Posted October 10, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 10, 2009 Here is a pinback Liaison that I have that has the vertical lines on the shield. It is hollow backed but clearly a stamped wing. No markings of any sort on it. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted October 11, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 11, 2009 You've posted some great images of 1945-1947 German occupation wings! I have a buddy who collects strictly German insignia. He described visiting the Assman factory, depicted above by Paul S, in the early 1960's in search of anything German left over from the war. He was disappointed to learn that within weeks of Germanys capituation, the owners of the Assman company quickly re-tooled their factory and solicited all of the allied occupational forces for insignia production contracts. Apparently the Assman company successfully transitioned from producing German insignia to US insignia well before the end of 1945. Attached is an image of an Assman produced hollow-back Service Pilot wing which closely resembles TMBFLYER's Liaison Pilot wing depicted above. Included in the image is a two inch variation of a Command Pilot wing. (Frank Eaton's three inch Command Pilot wing listed above has the number "320". The two inch version has the number "340" on the back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted October 11, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 11, 2009 Second image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted October 12, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 12, 2009 This is really turning out to be a great thread for this maker. Keep posting guys... I hope to see other wings i.e. medical, ag,... Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplecanopy Posted March 25, 2017 Share #21 Posted March 25, 2017 This is an old thread that I thought I would resurrect. Recently I picked up a USAF Senior Pilot badge (as shown) and was curious about the ASSMANN Numbering system. So I did a little research and came up with this list. I know there is probably a complete list somewhere in an ASSMANN Catalog, but I do not have one. I am interested to know what other numbers they used on U.S. Military Insignia, so if some of you other collectors have knowledge in this area, please feel free to add on and fill in the blanks. Mod. You may want to at some point move this to the HALLMARKS section. F.W. Assmann & Sohne Post WWII US Insignia and Catalog Numbers: All have a letter “A” with extended crossbar and a number Expert Infantryman Badge 190 ½ size EIB 193/195 Combat Infantryman Badge 1st Award 191 Combat Infantryman Badge 2nd Award 192 ½ size CIB 193/95 Combat Medic Badge 260 Basic Parachutist Badge 265 Senior Parachutist Badge 266 Master Parachutist Badge 267 Glider Badge 268 USAF Navigator Badge (later) 323 USAF Basic Pilot Badge 322 USAF Senior Pilot Badge 321 USAF Command Pilot Badge 320 Command Pilot Badge 2” 340 USAF Bombardier Badge 326 USAF Flight Engineer Badge 345 346 Service Pilot Badge 2” 348 Liaison Pilot Badge 2” 349 Glider Pilot Badge 2” 350 Flight Surgeon Badge 332 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted December 24, 2017 Share #22 Posted December 24, 2017 Couple of notes on the list. I just picked up a set of flight engineer wings from Assman. The 2" wing has the 345 & 346 numbers, while the 3" wing has the 332 number noted as being for the flight surgeon. 332 may have been either for an observer wing or just a base wing made for wings like the flight engineer and flight surgeon with large attached center devices. Also, the Flight Nurse wing was number 331 and the 2" Flight Surgeon was number 352 as Ron has examples for sale on his site flyingtigersantiques.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplecanopy Posted December 26, 2017 Share #23 Posted December 26, 2017 Thank you, I have updated my list. I know that there are a lot more out there, so the research continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted December 27, 2017 Share #24 Posted December 27, 2017 I also found an image of a 2" Assman Aircrew wing. It was numbered 347. John Cooper's earlier post in this topic also indicated he had seen a Pilot wing with the number 333. I would guess that was a 2" wing. I am guessing they would have also made 2" and 3" Aerial Gunner wings but have yet to see any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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