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I am in the process of thinning out / closing out most of my collection. Right now I am working on getting my cartridge collection together for a potential sale of the group, and thought I might post some photos of various boxes as I sort them out. Hope some of you find these of interest.

First, a WW2 period (I think - may be somewhat later) box of .38 Special cartridges. The box was covered with tape at some time.


The label on the side of the box:


When I bought this box (note the price of $1.00) I bought the cartridges to use and shot most of them. Then as time went on, I refilled the box with odds and ends. This photo shows the four different versions of the cartridges that are now in it - same order as the headstamps in the next photo. The second one is what was originally in the box.



I am not sure about the first one. The bullet appears either cupronickel or stannic stained and it has no maker mark. Never heard of a "covert ops" .38, so I doubt that this is one, but why no maker mark?

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One that used to be fairly common but I don't see around much anymore - the .22 Hornet cartridge for the M4 and M6 survival rifles. Not sure of the date of this box, likely to be in the 1950s. As I recall, by the late 50s they used military headstamps, I have a WCC 58 one so the box like this with commercial headstamps should be earlier than that.

 

 

 

There are also soft point .22 Hornet cartridges, which again I am not sure of the time period but MAY be WW2 issue based on the box style. Headstamp is SUPER SPEED .22 HORNET.

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Some .45 ACP. The first box is 1945 production by Frankford Arsenal. Note the lot number starts with S indicating Steel case. These cases were plated with zinc chromate to retard corrosion, and in this case the bullets are also steel jacketed with a copper plating. I have been told this ammunition was primarily for submachinegun use, as it can stick in a pistol chamber and I have heard of broken extractors when used with steel case cartridges in the M1911A1 pistols. It probably would work OK in the revolvers.

 


The next box is from the early Vietnam era, Remington Arms dated 1963. This is good ammo and I shot a lot of it in past years as it was fairly commonly available in the 1970s.

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Great collection Gary! Would you happen to know how to put a date on an empty box with just the lot number?

 

Greetz ;)

 

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Great collection Gary! Would you happen to know how to put a date on an empty box with just the lot number?

 

Greetz ;)

 

David

 

In a few cases I can make an educated guess based on a list I have of existing boxes and lot numbers, but I certainly cannot cover all the bases. Would need to know the caliber, maker, and lot number but as said, can only do a small percentage.

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A couple of .30 Carbine boxes.

The first is from the Kings Mills Ordnance Plant which was about where Kings Island Amusement Park is now, north of Cincinnati, Ohio. This plant was operated by Peters Cartridge Co. and used the P C headstamp. The box is also red stamped REPACKED E.C. 9-44 which I believe indicates that there was some question about the ammunition and it was checked and repacked in the original boxes by Evansville Chrysler in September 1944.


The second is late Korean War (1953) period by Remington. This helps to date empty boxes by their style.

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First, a WW2 period (I think - may be somewhat later) box of .38 Special cartridges. The box was covered with tape at some time.

 

Hi Gary:

 

Nice and interesting ammo all.

 

The M41 Ball ammunition is not WW2. It was developed in the 1950s, initially for use with the Colt and S&W lightweight alloy Aircrewman revolvers. It has a 130 grain bullet. The M41 Ball ammo was produced for many years (through the 1980s, at least) and may still be in production although most of the .38 Special revolvers are now out of the system. I think the USAF still retains some Model 15 Smith & Wessons to train guard dogs with.

 

The M41 Ball ammo was later used for pretty much all .38 Special revolvers in the inventory including the S&W Model 10, the leftover Colt Commando and Victory Models, the Aircrewman guns, the S&W Model 56, the Ruger Service Six, the Colt Detective Special and the Colt Police Positive Special. The S&W K-38 was a target revolver so would not have used this ball ammunition.

 

HTH.

 

Regards,

Charlie Flick

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Hi Gary:

 

Nice and interesting ammo all.

 

The M41 Ball ammunition is not WW2. It was developed in the 1950s, initially for use with the Colt and S&W lightweight alloy Aircrewman revolvers. It has a 130 grain bullet. The M41 Ball ammo was produced for many years (through the 1980s, at least) and may still be in production although most of the .38 Special revolvers are now out of the system. I think the USAF still retains some Model 15 Smith & Wessons to train guard dogs with.

 

The M41 Ball ammo was later used for pretty much all .38 Special revolvers in the inventory including the S&W Model 10, the leftover Colt Commando and Victory Models, the Aircrewman guns, the S&W Model 56, the Ruger Service Six, the Colt Detective Special and the Colt Police Positive Special. The S&W K-38 was a target revolver so would not have used this ball ammunition.

 

HTH.

 

Regards,

Charlie Flick

 

Charlie, thanks much for the correction. I am always open to further information on these cartridges, not my area of collecting although I have picked up a lot over the years (mostly in the past to shoot).

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Gotta say, I love the Kings Mills box... I live in Cincinnati so that kinda brings it home for me. Awesome stuff! I use/display an M1A1 carbine in my reenacting/living history displays, so the carbine stuff really catches my attention. I just wish I had places like that around here where I could come up with stuff like that! (For display, not for firing.. LOL)

 

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This is the .276 Pedersen (and later used in the early Garand). As the box is marked Lubricated Process No. 2 it would likely be for the Pedersen rifle as it was necessary to lubricate its cartridges due to its extraction system. That is considered to be one of the main reasons that the Garand was adopted.

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From what I have seen recently, there does not appear to be much interest in cartridge collecting these days. Back when I was picking these up, there were a lot of people collecting and most shows, even the smaller ones, had some dealers. But now in most of the area shows there is little to no interest in military cartridge collecting.

A World War One box of .30-06 machine gun cartridges. If memory serves, these were held to tighter tolerances and more testing as jams in machine guns, especially aircraft guns, was far more serious than in the Model 1903 or Model 1917 rifles.

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Thanks for sharing the pics and info!! My wife will kill me if I start adding more ammo boxes to the few I have now!!!

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