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in the ardennes battle of the bulge many soldiers had M43 jackets but no M43 liners due to the failure of the supply system...so they were trying to keep themselves warm with field expendients...2 sweaters or 2 wool shirts or the M41 jacket under the M43...but many GIs were not even that lucky & they maded just with 1 shirt 1 highneck sweater and just the M43 on top without liner ofcourse!!!

 

i think they survived due to the very good quality design of the 5 button higneck sweater..

when the neck & the feets are warm the whole body is warm

 

but yet the M43 was not the most common jacket in the ardennes..the most common was still the M41 the tankers jacket the melton overcoats & the very many mackinaws...the mackinaw was a very good heavy jacket..they were some M41 arctic jackets also...just a heavier version of the M41

 

so..who's the lucky soldier in ardennes?...the soldier with the melton or the mackinaw or the tankers or the arctic thumbsup.gif

 

who's the unlucky soldier?..the soldier with the M43 & the M41 thumbdown.gif

 

the M43 without the liner is nothing...is just a jacket for the summer...is a very good design but only combined with the liner

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The M1950 field jacket was only made for a short time....from Dec 1950 thru the Spring of '51. They all look the same on the outside, basically identical to the M1943, but inside there were two variations.

 

First production had white labels and contract date is usually December 1950. Liner buttons are the large size, same as the buttons on the outside of the jacket. No button in liners were yet available so the pile jacket went back into production.

 

Second production had inkstamped markings and the same smaller size liner buttons as was used in the M1951's. Contract date is usually in the Spring of '51. And by this time they were being issued with the M1950 liner.

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The first pattern B was November, 1943 followed by the next update for pattern B of August, 1944. I think they sneaked pattern A in after late September / October, 1943 but I've not come acrross one as of yet. It seems that the Nov, 1943 to Aug, 1944 patt b mainly had a browner od, khaki if you like, lining and green buttons, some have brown though, supply and demand, and the post Aug, 1944 had green lining and brown buttons. Yours may be a Nov, 43 / Aug, 44.

The colors of my M43 of the contract dated November 14th, 1943.

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WOW...having never been without at least 1 M43 since I was 9 or 10 years old (ordered my first from Kaufman's in N.Y.C. around '60 or '61), I can't express my appreciation for all the photos and info on this thread. :thumbsup:

 

Greg, ya got me upset; had one of those satin-lined Liners years ago and sold it, thinking it was post-War. I just learned today from your pics that it may not have been... :mad:

 

Here is the top-of-the-line of the 4 '43s in the pile, dated Nov. 1943; this one has the same thin plastic bottons as the Reversible Overcoats and the early Parka-Coats instead of the later-approved Bakelites, and has embroidered Lieutenant's bars on each epaulette...

 

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Here are the plastic buttons compared to the normally-seen buttons; oddly enough, the other Jacket is also dated Nov. '43...

 

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Plastic button Jacket at left (from Manion's):

JACKETS, FIELD, M-1943

Size 40 L

ALBERT TURNER & CO.

Purchase Order #4372

Dated Nov. 15, 1943

Tent. Spec. P.Q.D. #370 C

Dated Oct. 11, 1943

Stock No. 55-J 191-85

Phila. Q.M. Depot

 

"Normal" Jacket at right (from trade with East Coast collector Mike Bonelli):

Pattern B

JACKETS, FIELD, M-1943

Stock No. 55-J-192-15

42 R

DE ROSSI & SON CO.

P.O. No. 4360

Dated Nov. 15, 1943

Q.M.C. Tent. Spec.

P.Q.D. No. 370-C

Dated 10/11/43

Phila. Q.M. Depot

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WHOA...Spoon, that's quite a piece!! Never seen anything like that; is it a button-up or snap-up Jacket?

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Jim, I think from looking at the first pic that it is button up but I,m not sure about the pocket flaps as they may be snaps. I wonder if this is a test / experimental example? That pouch on the back reminds me of the Mountain Jacket. Interesting no matter what it is.

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Roger that, Craig...I'm almost ready to think it's a button Jacket, because there are no worn "nubs" from snaps on the pocket flaps; also, the first thing I likewise thought of was the Mountain Jacket when I saw the pouch. I'm thinking the size tag dates it as well, as all the W.W.II '43s I've seen were sized by chest dimension (34R, 40L, etc.). Maybe experimental clothing was done differently...?

 

Sure a neat Jacket, whatever it is... :w00t:

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Sorry for the delayed response...lots been happening around the spoon household.

 

Happy Thanksgiving, BTW.

 

The jacket has buttons all around , including the pockets. They are Brown.

 

Haven't seen anything about the mountain jacket...I'll have to do some searching around.

 

I am a gear maker amd this looked like a quality piece of .mil stuff, it has been hard to figure out. I am copying the pouch on one of my "Survival" vests...which is why I bought the coat in the first place, but then I became intrigued by it's unusual design.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Spoon

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Here is among the first issuance of the new M43 FJ and buckle top boots being worn by these 3rd Div Infantrymen at Anzio. Not sure, but the pants look like NON HBT material, they look like the sateen of the FJ, was there experimental pants of this type, like the OD HBT M43s, but it sateen?

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Hey Patches, great photo!

I've seen sateen cargo pocket Trousers in photos, maybe once or twice. It seems that Anzio was a combination campaign/proving ground for the

latest experiments in clothing; this shot is a fine example.

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I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus".

 

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Hey Patches, great photo!

I've seen sateen cargo pocket Trousers in photos, maybe once or twice. It seems that Anzio was a combination campaign/proving ground for the

latest experiments in clothing; this shot is a fine example.

Thanks for the confirmation FG, that's what I was seeing here, they just don't seem to have that recognizable HBT texture, which can be usually discerned in photos.

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Page 118 in Lewis' "Doughboy to G.I."...there they are!!

Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.

I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus".

 

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