Vietnam 10th Special Forces Dress Uniform

[Got da Penny]

This just came out of the closet, I am going to be buying more from the dealer as he brings in more items weekly.

 

Lets hope the money is still flowing.

 

Flash/Jump Oval is ID'ed here. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=46005

 

If you look close, you can still see the "dust" on the SF Shoulder Pins.

 

As always, comments are appreciated. -------- Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down -------

 

My gut tells me its "A good piece".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Got da Penny]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carey

[gwb123]

Looks okay to me. Nice to find one intact. It would be even better if you could get the name plate as well.

 

One wonders if there were other uniforms for the same person put away... Khakis, fatigues, etc.

 

A lot of vets, though, only keep their dress uniform. After years of maintaining it, it is a hard habit to break. I think it comes from the notion A) they might call me back or this is what I am going to buried in.

[KurtA]

No 3 year service hashmarks to match those multiple awards of the Good Conduct Medal makes me think it's a put-together jacket.

Kurt

[Laury Allison]

No 3 year service hashmarks to match those multiple awards of the Good Conduct Medal makes me think it's a put-together jacket.

Kurt

 

The branch of service brass is wrong too, but you never know. Also makes me wonder why there isn't a CIB or CMB since there is a combat patch. I would think the CIB would be closer to right due to the Infantry bos insignia. But anything is possible. No campaign stars on the VSM either, but that was very often overlooked.

[QED4]

The branch of service brass is wrong too, but you never know. Also makes me wonder why there isn't a CIB or CMB since there is a combat patch. I would think the CIB would be closer to right due to the Infantry bos insignia. But anything is possible. No campaign stars on the VSM either, but that was very often overlooked.

 

What is wrong with the collar brass? The only problem I see is the lack if Service Stripes especially since it dose have Overseas Stripes. The ranks seem a little low for someone with 16 plus years service but then I have seen people retire as E-5s so you never really know on that. All the sewn on insignia look believable but I am betting the ribbon bar was added. A Special Forces trooper could easily come out of a tour in Viet Nam as an E-6 and then be sent to Germany in his first three years, that Good Conduct ribbon bothers me.

[Francis Marion]

I see nothing wrong with it. Based on the combat patch and short ribbon stack, I would assume he did his tour in Vietnam as infantry and then joined SF.

[Allan H.]

I see nothing wrong with it. Based on the combat patch and short ribbon stack, I would assume he did his tour in Vietnam as infantry and then joined SF.

 

Gentlemen,

I am not tracking with all of the comments about the collar brass, whether it is correct or not etc. It was not until recently that the Special Forces were wearing their own branch insignia (crossed arrows). While arrows insignia was made during the VN period, it wasn't authorized for wear and that is why so much of it shows up unissued on the manufacturers cards. If this jacket were to have the crossed arrows brass, I would reject it out of hand.

I like the fact that there is so little insignia on the jacket- basic jump wings and only four ribbons. This is a classic example of what one would expect to see in the mid 1960's. My first Regimental Commander was commissioned in 1956. He didn't earn a ribbon until he was authorized wear of the National Defense Service Medal ribbon shortly before he left for Vietnam in 1967. That was over ten years of service without ANY ribbons. He used to remark about how silly it was for soldiers to have ribbons right after their initial training and how he went without a ribbon for ten years.

The fact that the combat patch is "US Army Vietnam makes me think that the veteran was not a combat veteran, but was in theater. This can easily explain the lack of a CIB. As Kurt states, he is not happy about the lack of service stripes, which does surprise me somewhat, but isn't a deal stopper to me.

I assume that the veteran never saw any combat time while he was in Vietnam and this explains the lack of campaign stars and lack of a CIB.

My two cents,

Allan

[Got da Penny]

Here is what i found yesterday .... Maybe it will help. ??

 

 

As the United States became more and more involved in Vietnam, counter-insurgency became the primary focus of the Special Forces, rather than the traditional unconventional warfare. While 10th SFG was never deployed to Vietnam, the soldiers and officers assigned to it did rotate through the country as part of different special forces groups. [6]

 

During the Vietnam War, detachments of 10th Group began training Middle Eastern special warfare forces. In Jordan, B Detachment established the first airborne school, and King Hussein attended the graduation parachute jump.[6] In 1963, Company C of 10th Group trained 350 officers and NCOs of a guerrilla force fighting the socialist government in Yemen. [6] Detachments also traveled to Iran to train the Iranian Special Forces, along with Kurdish tribesmen in the mountains of Iran.[6] A Teams also trained Turkish and Pakistani special forces.[6]

 

 

SF Insignia on epulate.

 

"DE OPPRESSO LIBER" .... The motto is translated as "From Oppression We Will Liberate Them." Background: The distinctive unit insignia was approved on 8 July 1960. The insignia of the 1st Special Forces was authorized to be worn by personnel of the U.S. Army Special Forces Command (Airborne).

 

 

Thanks to everyone adding their 2 Cents .. :thumbsup:

 

 

Carey

[F50lrrp]

Before the Special Forces became their own branch, enlisted personnel wore the unassigned (Eagle) brass.

[doyler]

Here is what i found yesterday .... Maybe it will help. ??

 

 

As the United States became more and more involved in Vietnam, counter-insurgency became the primary focus of the Special Forces, rather than the traditional unconventional warfare. While 10th SFG was never deployed to Vietnam, the soldiers and officers assigned to it did rotate through the country as part of different special forces groups. [6]

 

During the Vietnam War, detachments of 10th Group began training Middle Eastern special warfare forces. In Jordan, B Detachment established the first airborne school, and King Hussein attended the graduation parachute jump.[6] In 1963, Company C of 10th Group trained 350 officers and NCOs of a guerrilla force fighting the socialist government in Yemen. [6] Detachments also traveled to Iran to train the Iranian Special Forces, along with Kurdish tribesmen in the mountains of Iran.[6] A Teams also trained Turkish and Pakistani special forces.[6]

SF Insignia on epulate.

 

"DE OPPRESSO LIBER" .... The motto is translated as "From Oppression We Will Liberate Them." Background: The distinctive unit insignia was approved on 8 July 1960. The insignia of the 1st Special Forces was authorized to be worn by personnel of the U.S. Army Special Forces Command (Airborne).

Thanks to everyone adding their 2 Cents .. :thumbsup:

Carey

 

Carey,

 

I know an SF guy who was one who trained the Iranians..

 

RD