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Great thread! I have a modest collection of wings but really don't know enough about the various patterns and subtleties to date most of them. The examples here may help me date some of mine.


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I really like this thread so I wanted to bring it back to the top with some new additions that I think belong in this time period. The overall construction seems to me to fall within the late 30's to early 40's type but I would like other opinions.

 

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John

 

I like the thickness of the badge an especially the brass pin. Time frame? Today it would be pure speculation to try and pinpoint an exact date within a 20-year time frame (1919-1941) but definately pre-WWII.

 

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I've posted pics of my wings in the display ccase previously. These are wings that came affixed to uniforms. While I'm certainly not a wing expert, I think that at least dsome of them fall into this time period.

 

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Nest one. I think this one might be WW-II vintage.

 

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This one is clutchback with sterling clutrches. As such, it's late WW-II vintage but I'm not positive.

 

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I have three pairs that are almost identical to this set except that this paitr is gold-plated. Someone told me a while ago that gold wings denoted a flight instructor but I have no idea if that's accurate or not. This pair was not on a uniform but came with one.

 

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This pair was one of two that came with a unifiorm that had belonged to George Kenner in the 1920s. This pair was pinned on the blouse.

 

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This pair came with the Kenney uniform but were not pinned on it.

 

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The rest are Navy/Marine Corps wings that were in a separate display box. From a couple other examples, I'm guessing this full-sixed wing is from the 20s, though when I bought it about 10-15 years ago I was told WW-I

 

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I like the thickness of the badge an especially the brass pin. Time frame? Today it would be pure speculation to try and pinpoint an exact date within a 20-year time frame (1919-1941) but definately pre-WWII.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

Thanks Cliff! As for the two wings you posted they are very nice indeed and loot to be in mint condition! IIRC Duncan Campbell placed that pattern as early as 1920/1 but does not provide any information about the maker. I have seen some information about it being made by Amcraft but I have not be able to get a 100% confirmation on that yet.

 

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Here is a pattern that took me a bit of time to locate. My gut tell me this is prewar again based on its construction but alas I have no way to date it... maybe someone can offer their thoughts or better yet a photo of a pilot wearing the same style.

 

I hope you like this one as it is a very cool wing!

 

John

 

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Here is a detail shot.

 

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I was lucky to get this wing and hope I can obtain some more information from my fellow collectors. IIRC Duncan Campbell thought this wing die was from the 20s although in my exchanges with other collectors the 30's is the time frame. I did come across some info that this was made by American Metal Crafts Co but I am not 100% sure on this...

 

First is a comparison photo of my wing with the picture of the die Cliff posted some time back.

 

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The next shot is the high res along with the other new addition. I think are the collar insignia from the same general time period (if Campbell was correct about the wing) and were used form 1921 to 1925 IIRC but I am open to correction and or verification.

 

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Here is the reverse shot.

 

John

 

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I was lucky to get this wing and hope I can obtain some more information from my fellow collectors. IIRC Duncan Campbell thought this wing die was from the 20s although in my exchanges with other collectors the 30's is the time frame. I did come across some info that this was made by American Metal Crafts Co but I am not 100% sure on this...

 

John,

 

Your badge does correctly date back to the mid-1920s. Here is a copy of a page taken from an American Metal Crafts catalog issued in 1925.

 

Cliff :)

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Great information and confirmation - thank you very much Cliff you’re a scholar and a gentleman!

 

John


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Great information and confirmation - thank you very much Cliff you’re a scholar and a gentleman!

 

John

 

I call these "the hairy wing wings" for obvious reasons. What is interesting is that at least two different dies were used on this pattern, and it can be differentiated by the shape of the shield. These are very clear once you actually see the two variations side by side.

 

Second, I have seen these wings with a variety of different styles of hardware on the back. Sometimes with the "C" style catch, sometimes with the more traditional style catch. I have also seen this variety of wing with a gilt finish that may have been used by either commercial airline pilots or flight instructors.

 

Third, I believe that this "hairy wing" pattern has been used on a number of fakes. In the real wings, the depth of the wing is very obvious, but in the fakes, the wings are markedly more flat (at least the ones I have handled).

 

A really nice wing--one of my favorite patterns.

 

Patrick

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A nice look at some early Air Corps Pilot wing variations. Shows a nice progression from the 20's up to WW2. There are certainly some other nice pre-WW2 variations not included here ~ share yours if you have 'em! Dave

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Dave thanks for posting this photo. I am interested in hearing what you know about each one of these wings are a few of them have come up for disussion.

 

Cheers

John


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Hey, Paul

Great thread! Give me a shout. Wanted to ask you a few questions.

M.

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Thought I would share this pair of mid to late 1930's AE Pilot wings.

 

They are of absolutely massive construction, one of the heaviest wings in my collection.

 

Cheers,

 

John

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