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here is another jacket from the same grouping .

this is the only one with different pocket set up .

this has No poppers on the pocket flaps .

You can also see the tiger pattern.

Note the US style take up tabs at the rear .

These follow the 1st jungle jacket pattern

 

Hi Owen

 

just some pics of another shirt with " gones out colours stripes"(just big fade on this one) 47/52 camo allegee reenforced type shirt

 

Cheers JEROME

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Re: Lizard Pattern / Special Forces

Hello,

I have only recently started posting on this forum. It seems a good opportunity to exchange and develop information. So, to extend the dialogue on Lizard / Tigerstripe, and the use of Lizard during the 1960s, I enclose a couple of images of a well-used M47/53 French paratrooper jacket that has interesting concrete and documented provenance. I acquired the jacket directly from a named former 5th Special Forces 1st Lieutenant who had worn this jacket during from late 1968 until March 1969, when he was medically-evacuated from his A-Detachment at Dak Pek, Central Highlands, 6km from Laos. The Lieutenant (who was also a District Co-Ordinator for the Phoenix Project) had been given the jacket by the SVN Dak Pek local camp commander, Captain Nguyen Van Hoe of the LLDB, who in turn had acquired the jacket from a French officer, stated to be a Lieutenant, in the 1950s.

What is revealing about the jacket is that it illustrates successive generations of ownership - above the left breast pocket are two holes from where the French officer would have suspended a bar-mounted three-decoration-wide medal group, and correspondingly, above the right breast pocket are the small paired holes for the French metal jump wings. Early in the jacket's life, either by the French officer or the subsequent SVN officer, the jacket was taken in at the sides in order to present a more tailored look. The LLDB officer subsequently applied his own insignia, to include the stitch-marks of the SVN cloth jump wings that were applied over the position of the French wing pin-holes. There are also loose threads that suggest other insignia was crudely hand-stitched to the jacket, to include both upper breast pocket panels, and both upper arms. Above the left breast pocket flap there are traces of where an insignia, of the shape/size of a cloth US Para Wing, had once been attached.

When the 5th SF officer was given the jacket in late 1968, it was stripped of insignia. The jacket shows considerable use, and is patched/repaired consistent with use. The main zipper is broken, and all the original French brown plastic buttons to the fly-front have been lost, having been replaced over time with mis-matched Vietnamese-made green plastic buttons.

Apart from presenting concrete documentation to a specific period, region and context, this jacket offers a perspective on the prestigious status of camouflage garments, whereby a garment is handed down through successive individuals.

Pluto

London

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Hey Pluto .

What up and welcome to Tiger land !!!

It is a pity the patches are removed from your jacket .

Still a nice 47-53 .

Some of the french boys on this forum have some cool cammo photos so we will see some fantastic Lizard -tiger - ERDL combos comming .

Do you have anyother pieces from this jacket grouping ?

o

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Hello Pluto,

 

i have a named 47/53 to a SF/Team 162/UITG FANK member that has the same multi-ownership traits.

 

My jacket is triple named to include a Vietnamese, they would indeed appear to have been prized garments.

 

 

 

Patrick.

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Hi,

 

Here the pic of Tiger Jacket like shown by Beo Gam few posts above. Even all patches are fake, and the jacket was sold by Easycollectibles, the jacket is legit, the cut is like the French Airborne jacket (but with many simplifications) with zpped pocket, central zipper

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Here is a mint large size 47-53 that I had in my collection .

Sadly it is long gone but you can see a stunning example of pre -Tigerstripe camouflage .

Again this is one of my old photos .

Cop

That jacket is the same custom pattern as my tigerstripe beret .

owen

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Also in my pictures is a VNMC 2nd shirt .

This went to the a large USMC collector years ago called Dan Whitten .

He had the biggest VNMC advisor collection I have EVER seen .

I was talked out of this shirt after many years .

But it went to a great home .

This shirt was in the light weight poplin and had tan buttons .

PactriK .

I thought you would have enjoyed the custom Lizard sets .

owen

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Patrick ,

I thought you would have enjoyed the custom Lizard sets .

owen

 

Hello Owen,

 

i did and i am...it's more of a quiet appreciation in this hectic pre-show fortnight!

 

 

 

Patrick.

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Hello again

curious how all of the French jackets in question here seem to be the 53 model, not the earlier 51 model. Yet, in most French photos of late Indochine the 51 model is what is in use. Do you suppose that stocks of the 53 were sent to Indochine, not used, and then absorbed by SVN ?

Pluto

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I think that is pretty much it .

Remember a-lot wound up in the North !!!!

For me the 51 is the better jacket .

 

As the 51 issue did not last to long ,the 53 seems to be the more common piece .

It is funny you do not see much 56s as France pretty much had bailed by then .

 

I am sure our French members can shed more light on this , rather than a Paddy from Belfast !!!

owen

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Hi,

 

I think most of 53 model were sent to Israeli and left in Vietnam after the departure of French from Indochina. After the short transistion with 54 model in order to simplify the design, 56 model were widely produced and used in Algeria.

 

Unlike Vietnamese (only style consideration), French paratroopers disliked the "beaver tail", and always cut it, the later models 54.56 didn't have it

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Hi all,

 

Here is a beauctiful late war pattern that brown stripes were washed out and became green. I think that the pocket on the left sleeve was added but the sewingand cosntruction look very insdutrial, maybe a new cut for the tiger world :D. Size is rather for western body (very high) for L size

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Here are my old two TS bonnie hat... the photo of third one I put here some pages back...

I dont have better shots becouse I sold all of vn items years ago...

 

Cheers,

Jerry K.

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you sometimes find the late war shirts with the double button pocket ,I have only had a couple , also the matching trousers have the double botton first aid pocket .

But these are harder to find !!!

Jerry thanks for posting your hats .

Is the embrodery Thai???

I wonder .

owen

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Owen,

 

Late war pattern with double buttons pocket always have Black Buttons and the tone is quite dark and the material is quite heavy.

 

This shirt is "mid" weight, and all the buttons are Olive color. The tone is quite "chewing gum green", tha s why it attracted my interest

 

 

Cop

you sometimes find the late war shirts with the double button pocket ,I have only had a couple , also the matching trousers have the double botton first aid pocket .

But these are harder to find !!!

Jerry thanks for posting your hats .

Is the embrodery Thai???

I wonder .

owen

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