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This computin' machine has got alotta buttons on it...........................where's the "ANY" key?

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if one carried GI earplugs, my dad's unit had this method.. its seen in this picture

 

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the plastic case has a ball type chain to attach to a bdu pockets buttonhole, if it were on the LBV, itd be attached to the snap strap or through the hole on the adjusting buckle..

what i'm thinking is its more of a place to put something very small or a rag or something similarly smaller than GI field dressings.

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if one carried GI earplugs, my dad's unit had this method.. its seen in this picture

 

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the plastic case has a ball type chain to attach to a bdu pockets buttonhole, if it were on the LBV, itd be attached to the snap strap or through the hole on the adjusting buckle..

what i'm thinking is its more of a place to put something very small or a rag or something similarly smaller than GI field dressings.

Very interesing.

 

Anyway, RTS, neither the dressing nor the Earplugs box fits in that pouch.

It's very flat. It can contain something very thin, like a credit card.

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Very interesing.

 

Anyway, RTS, neither the dressing nor the Earplugs box fits in that pouch.

It's very flat. It can contain something very thin, like a credit card.

 

 

Once again an ID card?

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Once again an ID card?

 

 

Unless they wanted a handy spot to keep a casualty card, I am thinking MattD is on the money here then.

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John makes the best stuff thumbsup.gif

 

I have some differences with certain of his design philosphies personally, but from a gearmaker, John does very nice

work.

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Enhanced lbv, modified with custom radio pouch and belt pad inside. This one comes from a seller from Pensacola:

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I have seen several of these at Ft Bragg

 

Considering your comment, I would guess they come from AFSOC CCT or PJs.

 

BTW, speaking of FT Bragg. I will be heading up there in September.

 

If anyone is still looking for some American Body Armor Tan LBVs, let me know.

 

Matt

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I have seen several of these at Ft Bragg

 

Considering your comment, I would guess they come from AFSOC CCT or PJs.

 

BTW, speaking of FT Bragg. I will be heading up there in September.

 

If anyone is still looking for some American Body Armor Tan LBVs, let me know.

 

Matt

The radio pouch suggest me the same conclusion, CCT or Pj, anyway it's impossibile to know for sure. The only I think I can say for sure is that the vest has spent a lot of time in the sea water looking at the status of the metal parts.

 

Yes I'm still looking for American Body Armor LBV's, it will be great if you can find one for me too!

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I would like to share my collection of LBVs. Some are common, some less, feel free to comment.

 

This is made by Adventure specialist and it's one of the first experimental IIFS. It comes with an early LC-1 belt velcroed on one side.

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Is this USGI? And if so what makes it "one of the first experimental IIFS."?

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as alexd said it is made by adventure specialist.

 

it what mr. Pickrall calls "second pattern", it has a different shoulder pad in front, with circular hooks that are made to attach directly a patrol pack (a variation of the experimental iifs patrol pack), that pack. i believe the issue version (FCI,SDS) had a conversion kit to attach the patrol pack to the shoulder straps on the lbv

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the vest (mine)

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in my meager experience i have seen those 3 variations of experimental lbvs

1st pattern: without tag, but fastex always dated 1984 (natick made, maybe?, as i said s so-called SAW gunner LBV with natick tag and may 1983 date)

2nd pattern: 1986 dated fastex, some with adventure specialist tag and DAAD-86 contract, some without

3rd pattern: 1988 dated fastex, H&S made.

 

those are all present in the tactical vest reference topic.

 

as for being issued, i have seen at least three photos of soldiers wearing it.

 

-A soldier kneeling in front of a truck? jeep? with a skull in front, wearing 6 color desert camo and a patrol cap

-A TACP in woodland camo on a 1988 magazine

-The famous photo in front of the embassy during desert storm. One of the guys is wearing a tan ABA vest, the other in the background has this vest.

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after 1988 i never wore a lbe again ..for that time on i carryed a m11 model pistol as my duty weapon and if was in the field set up was a basicly a LBE with holster and mag pouch to hold the pistol mags and small pouch for the leatherment tool i carryed nothing else ..when we went sent overseas for the first gulf war along with a gasmask dureing the first gulf war ...

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I will never understand this new stuff... :( There are too many different kinds of the same thing!!!

 

sam

Actively collecting anything from the C Company, 1st Battalion, 141st Infantry Regiment, 36th Infantry Division.

 

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as alexd said it is made by adventure specialist.

So is it USGI or not? Did "adventure specialist" make it for the United States government or is it a commercial copy? The initial contract for the issue vests had the d-rings for use in attaching the patrol pack but by 27 April 1988 the d-rings have been eliminated from the military specifications, so most assume the d-rings were never actually on the true [early] military contracted vests.

 

2nd pattern: 1986 dated fastex, some with adventure specialist tag and DAAD-86 contract, some without

3rd pattern: 1988 dated fastex, H&S made.

Are these two "patterns" commerical copies? As the original experimental IISF was fabricated in house at Natick and not manufactured by a commercial company. Furthermore do any of these have the Kevlar panels? The original 1984 experimental IIFS vests have panels fabricated from woodland camouflage nylon covering Kevlar.

 

those are all present in the tactical vest reference topic.

I searched the reference area and could not find a topic regarding the IIFS. Can you direct me to it?

 

as for being issued, i have seen at least three photos of soldiers wearing it.

 

-A soldier kneeling in front of a truck? jeep? with a skull in front, wearing 6 color desert camo and a patrol cap

-A TACP in woodland camo on a 1988 magazine

-The famous photo in front of the embassy during desert storm. One of the guys is wearing a tan ABA vest, the other in the background has this vest.

I would love to see them! A picture is worth a thousand words!

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those weren't commercial copies. these were the experimental models, the second pattern has a daak6-86-.... contract number (the pack has a similar one too, except last digit is 43 if i recall correclty, made by lowe alpine).

 

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i don't understand what you mean when saying "true [early] military contracted vests". if you considerer experimental models as military contracted i'd say they are USGI, otherwise not.

 

I must have phrased that badly. My English is, how you say, inelegant. :lol:

 

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i remembered wrong on this, it isn't a second pattern model, it's the earlier first pattern

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i was referring to this topic

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...t=0&start=0

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Great! Do you own the above vest? If not, do you have any images of it? And what are the differences between it and the others?

 

i don't understand what you mean when saying "true [early] military contracted vests". if you considerer experimental models as military contracted i'd say they are USGI, otherwise not.

What I mean is - the original 1984 experimental vests were built in house by Natick with Kevlar inserts. The other vests, the 1986 and 1988 experimental models, are obviously later experimental models without the Kevlar and were apparently contracted to be made for Natick by civilian manufacturers.

 

As far as "true [early] military contracted vests" goes - Allegedly there are some early 1988 contract vests that were manufactured and issued that have the patrol pack d-ring. These are alleged to have standard government spec tags with contract numbers, national stock numbers, and are NOT marked experimental. These may be the ones that appear in the images you posted?

 

So one of my questions is answered - being the 1986 contract was with Adventure Specialits for experimental units for the U.S. Government [so they are, of course, USGI]. My other question still stands - which you probably cannot answer - is the vest alexd posted an Adventure Specialist experimental marked [i.e. dated 1986, or maybe another date] one or a later commercial copy?

 

Thanks for the great images!

 

I will try to post the ones I have from 1986 showing the IIFS "experimental system" [if I can get my scanner to work!].

 

Thanks for the great information so far!

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Great! Do you own the above vest? If not, do you have any images of it?

 

no, my one doesn't have a tag on it unluckily, and no sings of it being cut or torn off. this is from another italian collector, same model with metal rings.

 

What I mean is - the original 1984 experimental vests were built in house by Natick

Are you sure of it? I was, in my ignorance, thinking the same, but look what was on an ebay auction (which i didn't win) sometime ago. The tag indicates a very early 1983 date and a manufactuer (i think nlabs is for natick lab). the model was what mr. Pickrall calls Saw gunner vest.

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is the vest alexd posted an Adventure Specialist experimental marked?

 

if i recall correctly when he showed it on another forum it isn't. But i never thought of it being non original, maybe 1986 was too early to make commercial copies. I own one H&S LBV made in 1988 that is intended for civilian market, lacking any military references in the tag (while there are actually H&S vests with daak60-88-... experimental tags).

 

and i've been able to find the patrol pack tag image, it's not mine, but i put as a reference.

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ok, i realize this is a bit of an old thread but i was wondering if perhaps someone would be able to answer a couple questions. alexd, first i absolutely love the collection; would it be possible to get some more info on a couple of your vests?

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first, any ideas of when where and with whom this was fielded?


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second, what is the pouch with the grommet hanging off the utility belt? never seen that before



phillip; the same goes for your collection, i love it. can you give me any info on the below vest? i cant seem to place it with one of the "official" molle releases

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my apologies if any of these are newbie questions as i don't have nearly as many years of research under my belt as im sure many of you have. i appreciate the help

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dirtpro,

 

The first one looks like the right panel has been replaced with panel from the grenadier LBV. The second one is modified, probably for PJ uses. (The OD green pouches are from pilot survival vest) This pouch hanging off belt would be radio pouch. The third one is medic LBV (CMVS: Combat Medic Vest System).

 

Nice vests. Cheers.

ALWAYS ON A LOOK-OUT FOR OEF/OIF ITEMS.

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