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I think that the USMC shovel covers were not stamped US. Also like the other guys pics, find USMC pattern 16 inch bayonet scabbard with leather tip, USMC camo shelter half with camo straps. Also remember that the USMC web belt for the trousers is a bit wider than the army type and the buckle is different. Very good start and happy birthday.

 

The Marines had lots of gear that was stamped U.S. They did have bank shovel covers but they also used the U.S. ones.

 

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The Marines had lots of gear that was stamped U.S. They did have bank shovel covers but they also used the U.S. ones.

 

Sam

 

There is a wealth of War-time photos showing Marines making use of Army gear. The late Anthony Muscarella, who went through 3 major Pacific Theater campaigns with the 4th MarDiv, said in his diary (which was printed as a book), "We just heard that our boys landed in France- I hope they are doing real good over there. Maybe when they're finished, they'll send us some of their stuff to use." This was always the mind of Marines* in W.W.II: if anything could be used, it darn sure got used...even if it was made in Japan!! :lol:

 

Here's a 2nd Division Marine at Tarawa with an Army Canteen Cover on his belt...

 

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*..and Soldiers too, for that matter...!

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Wow you guys have some very cool USMC gear. My son and I just started collecting about a year ago and clearly we have a long way to go. You have given us lots to look forward to. Looks like a camo shirt and pants set need to be put on the list.

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There is a wealth of War-time photos showing Marines making use of Army gear. The late Anthony Muscarella, who went through 3 major Pacific Theater campaigns with the 4th MarDiv, said in his diary (which was printed as a book), "We just heard that our boys landed in France- I hope they are doing real good over there. Maybe when they're finished, they'll send us some of their stuff to use." This was always the mind of Marines* in W.W.II: if anything could be used, it darn sure got used...even if it was made in Japan!! :lol:

 

Here's a 2nd Division Marine at Tarawa with an Army Canteen Cover on his belt...

 

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*..and Soldiers too, for that matter...!

 

OOps meant to type "blank" not "bank" but I guess you know what I meant.

 

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Lucky 7th Armored

Hey dskjl nice stuff! Ive been looking for a helmet cover, there so expensive, if you dont mind me asking how much did yours cost? And is that a jungle pack? And is that a poncho over top of your haversack?

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Hey dskjl nice stuff! Ive been looking for a helmet cover, there so expensive, if you dont mind me asking how much did yours cost? And is that a jungle pack? And is that a poncho over top of your haversack?

Haydn

 

Haydn,

No worries, the helmet cover came with a fixed bail helmet in pretty good shape with a complete MSA liner with a green buckle leather chinstrap and (i think) I paid top dollar $400, and yes it is a jungle pack and it looks almost new but has that 70 year old smell that is growing on me as I collect, I paid approx $185 for it. Finally yes it is a poncho, I paid $175 for whats pictured the poncho, packs, straps belt, suspenders including the shovel and cover.

 

Thanks for your interest.

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I've been collecting Marine WW2 stuff for quite a few years-all those years of dragging my young son along to militaria shows must have rubbed off on him,because he's a Marine Captain now. I've got a fairly comprehensive collection of uniforms and gear now,but most of it's put away. Here's a pic I happened to have on my computer-I always sought out the web gear with those divisional markings on them like the shovel cover:

 

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Here's some more stuff. KaBars were always something I tried to scoop up back when I was actively buying this stuff.

 

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I've been collecting Marine WW2 stuff for quite a few years-all those years of dragging my young son along to militaria shows must have rubbed off on him,because he's a Marine Captain now. I've got a fairly comprehensive collection of uniforms and gear now,but most of it's put away. Here's a pic I happened to have on my computer-I always sought out the web gear with those divisional markings on them like the shovel cover:

 

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Here's some more stuff. KaBars were always something I tried to scoop up back when I was actively buying this stuff.

 

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Awesome collection, and congratulations to your boy for his accomplishments and thank you to him for his service.

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Boyt44 that is a beautiful collection, i love the division marked stuff myself even though i dont have any, but they always seems to sell for high prices.

 

How did i do for this 2nd pattern canteen cover, seems like a name was stenciled on the front. Ill take some more pictures when i get it. Anyone have a WW1 canteen for sale?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...eName=h:h:alt:3

 

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I dont know if you disregarded the whole message or a double post, but i dont see what you mean?

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Dskjl, that is one nice Jungle Pack... :w00t: :drool2:

 

 

Thanks, it is one of my sons favorite pieces.

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I dont know if you disregarded the whole message or a double post, but i dont see what you mean?

Haydn

 

I had seen a 2nd pattern cover for sale a week before that may have ended recently like yours but its belt attachement canvas was rotted off. I told you yours was rotted but I found out you bought another one (for a good price and in good shape) and I meant disregard the old msg.

 

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Oh okay, i was worried at first! lol i thought i didnt see something. Thanks for the compliment!

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marineabilly

There is a possibility that I'll be "going forward" to Afghanistan soon. In my last unit as the G-3 Current Operations Chief, there was no question about it - I was going. My new unit; however, is much smaller and there is no real need for a Logistics Mobility Chief. Either way, I'd like to go forward with some functional vintage/reproduction gear. On my list are a few of the ATF green skivvy shirts to supplement my others, fucntional (with current day info) reproduction WWI 1917 circle dog tags (already ordered) and a haversack as a carry-on during the flight over.

 

My question is: does the Haversack hold much? I have a large backpack that I used for my last two tours in Iraq, but would really love to rock out the Haversack. If it doesn't hold much, then it's not worth it. What I'd bring is a Hygiene (toiletry) bag, a day or two worth of underwear/socks/shirts, electronics, documents (8 1/2x11 - with possible binder), snacks, etc.

 

Any other functional item recommendations would be appreciated.

 

I'm also going to order a set of WWII 1917 oval dog tags with current day info as well. I'm going to purchase the WWII style shoulder holster for my Baretta 92f 9mm. Not sure what color to get - black or brown.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Semper Fidelis!

 

John

Master Sergeant (Active)

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If the "large backpack" you already have is one of the 3 day bags made by just about every pack maker in the US then it will probably hold about twice or slightly more than the M41 Haversack and probably is at least 2 to 4 times more comfortable. The only advantage the M41 has is it will be lighter. My wife currently uses one of the 5.11 3 day packs and I think that would hold 3 times more than the haversack and still be comfortable. These modern bags are also set up for all of the electronic gear, credentials, cconvience items, etc while the M41 is just a canvas sack with no compartments.

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Thanks for the info, Craig. Yes - I'm using one of those 3-Day packs from BugOut Gear. The problem with the bag is that they have too much room and I end up packing WAY more than I have to. The Haversack will force me to finally carry the bare essentials, keeping things light with the vintage look. I thought about buying a small A.L.I.C.E pack, but it's too new for my taste - I was issued them when I first joined and they also have too much room.

 

I noticed that ATF and WPG are the only two company's that reproduce the Haversacks - which one has the better item?

 

I've got 16 years under my belt and am barely learing about vintage Marine Corps gear. Can anyone provide information on the WWII Jungle Pack? Would that be a good carry-on? I noticed WPG is sold out, but can't find anyone else that makes them.

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Thanks for the info, Craig. Yes - I'm using one of those 3-Day packs from BugOut Gear. The problem with the bag is that they have too much room and I end up packing WAY more than I have to. The Haversack will force me to finally carry the bare essentials, keeping things light with the vintage look. I thought about buying a small A.L.I.C.E pack, but it's too new for my taste - I was issued them when I first joined and they also have too much room.

 

I noticed that ATF and WPG are the only two company's that reproduce the Haversacks - which one has the better item?

 

I've got 16 years under my belt and am barely learing about vintage Marine Corps gear. Can anyone provide information on the WWII Jungle Pack? Would that be a good carry-on? I noticed WPG is sold out, but can't find anyone else that makes them.

 

WW2 impressions makes the haversacks as well. Or, you could buy an original one for $40 in good shape.

 

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There is a possibility that I'll be "going forward" to Afghanistan soon. In my last unit as the G-3 Current Operations Chief, there was no question about it - I was going. My new unit; however, is much smaller and there is no real need for a Logistics Mobility Chief. Either way, I'd like to go forward with some functional vintage/reproduction gear. On my list are a few of the ATF green skivvy shirts to supplement my others, fucntional (with current day info) reproduction WWI 1917 circle dog tags (already ordered) and a haversack as a carry-on during the flight over.

 

My question is: does the Haversack hold much? I have a large backpack that I used for my last two tours in Iraq, but would really love to rock out the Haversack. If it doesn't hold much, then it's not worth it. What I'd bring is a Hygiene (toiletry) bag, a day or two worth of underwear/socks/shirts, electronics, documents (8 1/2x11 - with possible binder), snacks, etc.

 

Any other functional item recommendations would be appreciated.

 

I'm also going to order a set of WWII 1917 oval dog tags with current day info as well. I'm going to purchase the WWII style shoulder holster for my Baretta 92f 9mm. Not sure what color to get - black or brown.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Semper Fidelis!

 

John

Master Sergeant (Active)

Master Sgt.No disrespect intended but the M9 catches on the WW2/vietnam era holsters when withdrawn from it. Make sure you get one

 

made for the M9. Market garden M.P. Specialist US. Army,Iraq

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Thanks for the info, Craig. Yes - I'm using one of those 3-Day packs from BugOut Gear. The problem with the bag is that they have too much room and I end up packing WAY more than I have to. The Haversack will force me to finally carry the bare essentials, keeping things light with the vintage look. I thought about buying a small A.L.I.C.E pack, but it's too new for my taste - I was issued them when I first joined and they also have too much room.

 

I noticed that ATF and WPG are the only two company's that reproduce the Haversacks - which one has the better item?

 

I've got 16 years under my belt and am barely learing about vintage Marine Corps gear. Can anyone provide information on the WWII Jungle Pack? Would that be a good carry-on? I noticed WPG is sold out, but can't find anyone else that makes them.

 

 

Follow these links for more info on the M41 Pack System and the Jungle Pack.

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...?showtopic=2406

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...?showtopic=1059

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There is a possibility that I'll be "going forward" to Afghanistan soon. In my last unit as the G-3 Current Operations Chief, there was no question about it - I was going. My new unit; however, is much smaller and there is no real need for a Logistics Mobility Chief. Either way, I'd like to go forward with some functional vintage/reproduction gear. On my list are a few of the ATF green skivvy shirts to supplement my others, fucntional (with current day info) reproduction WWI 1917 circle dog tags (already ordered) and a haversack as a carry-on during the flight over.

 

My question is: does the Haversack hold much? I have a large backpack that I used for my last two tours in Iraq, but would really love to rock out the Haversack. If it doesn't hold much, then it's not worth it. What I'd bring is a Hygiene (toiletry) bag, a day or two worth of underwear/socks/shirts, electronics, documents (8 1/2x11 - with possible binder), snacks, etc.

 

Any other functional item recommendations would be appreciated.

 

I'm also going to order a set of WWII 1917 oval dog tags with current day info as well. I'm going to purchase the WWII style shoulder holster for my Baretta 92f 9mm. Not sure what color to get - black or brown.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Semper Fidelis!

 

John

Master Sergeant (Active)

 

I too have been looking for the round dogtags, but every site I find can only put 8 digits in for the service number, and we need 9 :pinch:

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Master Sgt.No disrespect intended but the M9 catches on the WW2/vietnam era holsters when withdrawn from it. Make sure you get one

 

made for the M9. Market garden M.P. Specialist US. Army,Iraq

 

 

None taken - thanks for the good info!! Cheers!

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I too have been looking for the round dogtags, but every site I find can only put 8 digits in for the service number, and we need 9 :pinch:

 

 

Thanks for all the helpful info ALL!

 

Right, but I just used the last 4 of my SSN since PII is a big thing for us right now. I got mine from http://www.ww2rationtechnologies.com/ww1tag.html and just received confirmation that they'll be sent out on Tuesday. I'll be sure to post pics once they come in.

 

Cheers!!

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Thanks for all the helpful info ALL!

 

Right, but I just used the last 4 of my SSN since PII is a big thing for us right now. I got mine from http://www.ww2rationtechnologies.com/ww1tag.html and just received confirmation that they'll be sent out on Tuesday. I'll be sure to post pics once they come in.

 

Cheers!!

 

 

My tags are in - they were a little scratched up during the lettering process, but I'm happy with them. They have all the information my current tags have and I will be wearing these to Afghanistan. I'd like to order more for my left boots, but I'll stick with my current day ones. They came with the white cord and I purchased the leather cord for an extra 2.00. I tea-dyed the white cord last night and it came out a nice tan. I'll try and use brown shoe polish to darken it up so it looks like an original - plus white/tan is just not acceptible showing while in uniform.

 

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Right, but I just used the last 4 of my SSN since PII is a big thing for us right now. I got mine from http://www.ww2rationtechnologies.com/ww1tag.html and just received confirmation that they'll be sent out on Tuesday. I'll be sure to post pics once they come in.

 

First of all - thank you for your service!

 

In looking at the link you provided for the replica tags - I'm not sure they were ever on white cotton cords. Having sold many original tags from WWI through Vietnam, and done a bunch of research - the cord looks a lot more like a flat shoestring, sometimes referred to as cloth tape. And, the brown/tan color was very consistent between cords and on each cord so I suspect that may have been the original color.

 

Paul Braddock's book on dog tags says the leather cord dates to the Spanish American war. Standard issue of Navy and Marine Corps necklaces started in 1917. "The necklace consisted of a woven thin Monel wire that was encased in a linen covering. This method, like that of the Army, lasted until the early 1940s for the Navy when the 2nd tag was authorized. Marine tags are to be found on both the Monel wire and the cloth tape also well into WWII."

 

So a little history on the cords/necklaces for you!

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