statement USAF AMC Officer’s Tailor Made “Wright Patterson” Wool Service Shirt (1953–1955) – Museum Grade, Practically Non Existent Example :

[RKurz]

"I understand your decision to block my profile and delete a post that received 100,000 views in a single day. As someone who approached this community with respect for the history of the USAF and humility towards the liberators of my city, I would have expected at least a brief statement of the reasons for this step. If the problem was the technical description of the unique artifact from Wright-Patterson or my imperfect English, I am sorry that the space for professional discussion was replaced by silence. If you had told me at the outset that I was touching on matters related to national security, I would have immediately withdrawn the post myself. Unfortunately, all I received from you was a dishonorable recommendation to sell it on eBay for 25 USD. I hereby consider our debate closed and I am already handing over the entire matter, including documentation, to be resolved at the official international level. 

With respect and regards, Radim Kurc Pelikán

[mvmhm]

Obviously your profile hasn't been blocked since you're able to still post here. And you really need to get off the "because of my poor English" excuse. This forum is composed of thousands of members from around the world, and NO ONE would complain about your lack of English, or any other language. Comments were made that you shouldn't rely on artificial intelligence to tell you what you have. Instead, there where a number of human experts here who tried to tell you what you had and you chose to disregard their many years of experience....as historians (and many of us here have been published or contributed to collectors books and scholarly works) not to mention some of these same people served serving the times the shirt was worn.  And as far as "handing over the entire matter, including documentation, to be resolved at the official international level. " just who, I ask you, might that be? It's OK to be disappointed to find out that a treasure isn't a treasure, and then there's being foolish about it.  

 

And if you really want to learn about that shirt from something other than AI, find a copy of "Into the Blue", which is a history of Air Force uniforms that will show you haw common place these are.  And yes, I also own about a dozen examples of the same shirt.

 

Mark sends

[Just an Old dude]

If I may add to what Mark stated above, the collective membership here are LITERALLY the experts who would be the "final" answer on the subject.  There are probably a couple THOUSAND of years of experience on this forum if it was all tabulated.  While I may be new to the forum, I have been collecting for over 60 years.  I have had scores of these shirts.  Good luck getting 25 bucks on eBay.  

 

OD  

[dmar836]

RKurz,

It appears the thread is gone now but you were asked where you obtained your research info and how you concluded that this was a rare shirt. You asked for advice and you received it. Whether you accept that is another story. To people who have seldom owned or held a WWII era item an item might be assumed to be exceedingly rare. To collectors, it might be common as was this shirt to many of us. If there is documentation showing how this shirt is a rare variant we all wanted to know. Some of the features you quoted were clearly not part of the shirt you posted. From what I saw, as of last eve, before the thread disappeared you did not offer any references. We are all excited to learn new things regardless of the source but there must be a source. 

We all learn at a different pace but as for 100,000 views( and I doubt that number), controversial topics attract members like moths to a flame. I for one returned to see if you had realized that you might have been taking this item far more seriously than it deserves - not because I was interested in such a rare shirt. 

I'm sure I speak for others when I say I hope you find a party as interested in the shirt as you.

Best,

Dave

[RKurz]

you know what? you have already fallen for me morally, humanly and professionally, if you own a dozen shirts 1953-1955, Creighton, WPL 8644, ALL WOLL, USAF P-2-4-2, U701, please send those dozen shirts to this forum so everyone can see all the insignia from this year, if that's the case, then oki...have fun

[dmar836]

I did not see those numbers on that shirt. The U701 is likely a laundry number as you were advised. Please quote your source that identifies your shirt as whatever you claim it is.

We would all like to see this evidence but you are becoming belligerent - not "humbly" asking for expert advice as you started off saying. This is not personal so please keep this to the actual item discussed or this thread will be blocked as well. 

[RKurz]

When you have a specific verdict from the VHU CR, will that be enough for you? 

[KurtA]

We all know what the shirt is, and isn’t.  RKurz doesn’t agree (and probably never will).  That’s fine.  
It should be left at that. 

[dmar836]

I'm not sure what that is but I'm sure we'll all wait and likely hear nothing of it. I almost posted pics of some AAF officer's shirts, sleeves with double "slots", etc. but then realized it isn't really needed here. 

As one of our very knowledgeable moderators already has said, I'm outa here.

Best of luck, friend,

Dave

[manayunkman]

Let’s stick to the facts, where does the information come from? What government source shows us that this is more than a 1950s officer shirt?

 

Somewhere if this shirt exists there will be government acquisition orders on record telling who made what shirt and how many were ordered, that would be proof of this nuclear shirt.

 

And if this shirt is what you say it is where is the tag that tells you so, all US clothing is marked in a way that you can understand its purpose, this shirt has no such tag.

 

Isnt this a private purchase shirt not issued?

 

The original poster avoids answering the first 2 questions (this is my 3rd time asking) which usually translates into they don’t know 

 

 

[RKurz]

Before you embarrass yourself in front of all the experts, I'm sending you the last photo and if you can please get me a similar shirt for your 25 USD, I'll take it from the dozen you have in your shoe closet...

[RKurz]

And here is your final nail of your professionalism...

[Blacksmith]

This appears to be a woman’s cut shirt, with the waist in it and quarter-panel creases.

[RKurz]

If it's a women's shirt, why does it have a men's closure and why does it have an inside pocket for a sensor right above a man's heart and not a women's size? And since when were women's shirts modified in the 1950s with satin in the collar for centrifuge tests?

 

[RKurz]

At this point, it's a professional execution for you, where you want to catch me in the details, unfortunately I know everything about it and once you receive an expert opinion there is nothing to discuss, instead of valuing something that is national history for you, it's already desperation on your part...

[RKurz]

Given the significance of this find, I have decided to take a bulletproof approach: The artifact is now being sent for detailed analysis to internationally recognized specialists in forensic textile expertise and early Cold War technology. This analysis will include microscopic examination of the fibers and comparison with the Aero Medical Laboratory project protocols to which these experts have access. In any case, thank you for your expert opinion and it will be my honor to inform you of the result. With respect and best regards, Radim Kurc Pelikán

[Rhscott]

Pretty amazing thread.

[RKurz]

thank you, Rhscott. I truly appreciate that someone who is a real expert in military logistics, unit histories, and technical equipment details recognizes the significance of this thread.“

[manayunkman]

Where does your information come from?

 

The tags in the shirt should prove your point but they don’t, the tags are those of a privately purchased shirt.

 

Unless you come up with the proper proof there is no longer a point in continuing.

 

The posters mind is set the he is right and we are wrong so what’s the point.

 

If the poster is correct we should be able research this but I’ve googled my face off and can find nothing about any special made shirt.

 

Show us the military specs for this shirt, you can’t because there aren’t any.

We trust military specs not emotional conjecture.

 

You have to show rock solid proof, find the specs for this shirt and we will believe you

 

You can’t show anything good luck with your shirt, I’m out.

[RKurz]

Dear Mr. Manayunkman,"

Please, what are you still talking about? Just an hour ago, I posted the following statement:

Given the significance of this find, I have decided to take a bulletproof approach: The artifact is now being sent for detailed analysis to internationally recognized specialists in forensic textile expertise and early Cold War technology. This analysis will include microscopic examination of the fibers and comparison with the Aero Medical Laboratory project protocols to which these experts have access. In any case, thank you for your expert opinion and it will be my honor to inform you of the result. "Please, read the entire thread carefully. At this stage, the matter is already being handled by colleagues who truly understand the subject."

[manayunkman]

I changed some words around when I googled and found this AI 

 

 

 

[McLenn2025]

14 hours ago, mvmhm said:

Obviously your profile hasn't been blocked since you're able to still post here. And you really need to get off the "because of my poor English" excuse. This forum is composed of thousands of members from around the world, and NO ONE would complain about your lack of English, or any other language. Comments were made that you shouldn't rely on artificial intelligence to tell you what you have. Instead, there where a number of human experts here who tried to tell you what you had and you chose to disregard their many years of experience....as historians (and many of us here have been published or contributed to collectors books and scholarly works) not to mention some of these same people served serving the times the shirt was worn.  And as far as "handing over the entire matter, including documentation, to be resolved at the official international level. " just who, I ask you, might that be? It's OK to be disappointed to find out that a treasure isn't a treasure, and then there's being foolish about it.  

 

And if you really want to learn about that shirt from something other than AI, find a copy of "Into the Blue", which is a history of Air Force uniforms that will show you haw common place these are.  And yes, I also own about a dozen examples of the same shirt.

 

Mark sends

If someone relies on generative AI, that should tell you all... Not to sound mean, but I hold people letting AI do their research and work in low regards. That might just be my personal experience talking as I am fed up with my co-students at university "brainstorming with ChatGPT", but I just cannot stand generative AI. On top of that, it has been proven time and again, that AI cannot be trusted with information and especially not when it comes to collecting. You rarely get a solid answer from AI. This is, why I will always bet on the members of the USMF, who are extremely knowledgeable and more than helpful. Although I am relatively new as a member, I have been reading the USMF's content for years and have learned a lot. Why use AI, when you have as huge a source as this forum?

Excuse my rant, but I am just fed up with people using generative AI and especially in the collecting field. And in my eyes, the fact, that @RKurz used AI, says more than enough... I will stop at that as to maintain a respectful post and just a reminder, that AI cannot and simply should not be trusted.

 

Kind regards,

Jules

[manayunkman]

Here is another AI generated answer.

 

Only AI has this information, can’t find anything else.

 

Note on the end of the info it tells you that AI can be wrong and to double check the answer.

 

 

[McLenn2025]

2 hours ago, RKurz said:

At this point, it's a professional execution for you, where you want to catch me in the details, unfortunately I know everything about it and once you receive an expert opinion there is nothing to discuss, instead of valuing something that is national history for you, it's already desperation on your part...

You already received multiple experts' opinions. When it comes to history, there is no one more knowledgeable than the members of this forum as another member already pointed out. If you are so sure of what you allegedly have, then give us some proof instead of always just repeating your "facts" and sending pictures. Please answer @manayunkman's questions instead

[McLenn2025]

49 minutes ago, RKurz said:

Dear Mr. Manayunkman,"

 

Please, what are you still talking about? Just an hour ago, I posted the following statement:

Given the significance of this find, I have decided to take a bulletproof approach: The artifact is now being sent for detailed analysis to internationally recognized specialists in forensic textile expertise and early Cold War technology. This analysis will include microscopic examination of the fibers and comparison with the Aero Medical Laboratory project protocols to which these experts have access. In any case, thank you for your expert opinion and it will be my honor to inform you of the result. "Please, read the entire thread carefully. At this stage, the matter is already being handled by colleagues who truly understand the subject."

I am not sure if the shirt is worth the hassle, but do as you wish... And again: Many members of this forum have published books or have participated in the writing of books on history and gear from a multitude of American conflicts. If that doesn't make them experts and "truly understand the subject", I don't know what does