Iran 2026 - CLOSED

[Bluehawk]

 

"We do not know what is truly going on right now in Iran. We can speculate. History will look back on this time and will have a completely different analysis than what is being portrayed right now..."

 

Yup... or, we could be satisfied with daily video loops of exploding ordnance.

[cutiger83]

3 minutes ago, Bluehawk said:

 

"We do not know what is truly going on right now in Iran. We can speculate. History will look back on this time and will have a completely different analysis than what is being portrayed right now..."

 

Yup... or, we could be satisfied with daily video loops of exploding ordnance.

 

 

Between the AI video and use of video from years ago, how do we know what is true video?.  When we look back on this time, it will show the truth vs fake. During WWII, Hitler produced lots of propaganda video later proven faked. Time will tell....

[P-59A]

Propaganda.`deception`and`disinformation`has`been`in`play`since`the`beginning`of`warfare.`The`Trojan`Horse`story`is`commonly`sited.`The`first`thing`everyone`should`understand`is`that`thier`is`no`singular`truth.`Truth`is`subjective,`Thier`is`your`truth,`my`truth,`his`truth,`her`truth`and`that`is`all`subjective.`If`I`imagine`all`of`these`truths`as`metal`rings`and`overlay`them`with`the`intersecting`sections`being`what`we`agree`to`be`true`then`that`becomes`the`knowable`truth,`not`the`absoulute`truth,`but`the`knowable`truth`between`us.`When`the`police`interview`people`that`is`what`they`are`looking`for.

If``you`scale`this`up`in`matters`like`this`it`starts`to`weed`out`the`three`things`I`listed`at`the`top.`The`thing`is`you`have`to`look`at`all`sides.`If`you`are`locked`into`the`echo`chamber`or`confirmation`bias`you`will`have`learned`nothing.`Bad`information`in`bad`information`out.`Google`pragmatic`realist`then`critical`thinking.`This`is`how`I`see`and`understand`the`world`around`me.`I`have`friends`who`graduated`from`Universities`that``lean`left`to`far`left.`We`meet`once`a`month`or`so`for`coffee`and`talk`politics`and`geo`politics.We`can`do`this`because`we`are`friends`and`we`all`want`to`expand`knowledge`and`understanding`AND`everyone`has`a`thick`skin'.`The`idea`is`to`see`if`we`cand`expand`the`center`of`the`ring`one`person`at`a`time.

What`I`see`so`far`is`fear`and`uncertainty.`That`is`fair,`I`get`it.`May`I`suggest`digging`past`the`three`things`I`listed`and`find`the`knowable`truth.

 

 

 

[P-59A]

I`did`not`jump`on`with`the`thought`of`posting`the`above.`I`came`on`to`point`out`NATO`and`NATO`nations`have`hit`a`turning`point`in`thier`calculations.`Addressing`the`Straight`of`H`is`in`everyones`interest.`I`have`been`seeing`small`hints`or`indications`of`the`end`game.`It`dosen't`look`like`propaganda.`It`reads`more`like`get`ready.`The`US`and`Isreal`have`not`confirmed`any`of`this`though.

[P-59A]

The`links`I`posted,`are`to`the`best`of`my`knowledge`the`knowable`truth.`I`had`to`look`to`find`that,`I`wanted`the`nuts`and`bolts`because`I`did`not`know`that`we`could`do`this.`I`wanted`to`know`how`we`did`this.``I`would`not`of`posted`them`if`I`had`any`doubts`about`it.`So'`far`no`one`has`disproved`them`or`any`part`of`them.`If`someone`has`solid`information`that`counters`it`post`it.`I`would`like`to`see`that.

For`years,`China`has`been`talking`about`that`super`sonic`missle`that`can`sink`an`aircraft`carrier.`It`was`unstoppable`and`would`render`aircraft`carriers`obsolete.`They`failed`as`did`the`raidar's.`If`you`want`to`find`fair`and`critical`thinking,`start`with`Dr.`Sahra`Paine`of`the`US`Navy`War`Collage.`Watch`all`of`her`posts`on`everything`She`is`sharp.

[Bluehawk]

39 minutes ago, P-59A said:

The`links`I`posted,`are`to`the`best`of`my`knowledge`the`knowable`truth.`I`had`to`look`to`find`that,`I`wanted`the`nuts`and`bolts`because`I`did`not`know`that`we`could`do`this.`I`wanted`to`know`how`we`did`this.``I`would`not`of`posted`them`if`I`had`any`doubts`about`it.`So'`far`no`one`has`disproved`them`or`any`part`of`them.`If`someone`has`solid`information`that`counters`it`post`it.`I`would`like`to`see`that.

For`years,`China`has`been`talking`about`that`super`sonic`missle`that`can`sink`an`aircraft`carrier.`It`was`unstoppable`and`would`render`aircraft`carriers`obsolete.`They`failed`as`did`the`raidar's.`If`you`want`to`find`fair`and`critical`thinking,`start`with`Dr.`Sahra`Paine`of`the`US`Navy`War`Collage.`Watch`all`of`her`posts`on`everything`She`is`sharp.

Well said... and so, as always, we're not going to know the unknowable. SECDEF Rumsfeld (IMHO) said it best:

 

"Reports that say something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me because, as we know, there are known knowns: there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns: that is to say, we know there are some things [we know] we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult one."

[P-59A]

4 hours ago, Bluehawk said:

Well said... and so, as always, we're not going to know the unknowable. SECDEF Rumsfeld (IMHO) said it best:

 

"Reports that say something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me because, as we know, there are known knowns: there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns: that is to say, we know there are some things [we know] we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult one."

There`is`an`art`to`being`a`wordsmith.`That`was`perfect.

[cutiger83]

15 hours ago, P-59A said:

Addressing`the`Straight`of`H`is`in`everyones`interest.`I`have`been`seeing`small`hints`or`indications`of`the`end`game.`It`dosen't`look`like`propaganda.`It`reads`more`like`get`ready.`The`US`and`Isreal`have`not`confirmed`any`of`this`though.

 

There is no end game. There is no hint of an end game. There is no "get ready" except for threatening to attack infrastructure if the strait is not opened which is a war crime.  

[The Rooster]

1 hour ago, cutiger83 said:

 

There is no end game. There is no hint of an end game. There is no "get ready" except for threatening to attack infrastructure if the strait is not opened which is a war crime.  

I find that really hard to believe. I seriously doubt that the planners at the pentagon and in our govt have no plan

for the end. Planning is what they do, before operations ever start they have plans already in place.

It does not mean that everything will go according to plans. But I do not believe that this  operation

has no end game planned out. Not for one second. Speaking as Capt obvious here.....

.....the end game seems to be the removal of the Islamic Govt.

How is attacking infrastructure a war crime?

Power plants, rail roads, bridges etc all seem to be legitimate targets.

Are they not?

[cutiger83]

53 minutes ago, The Rooster said:

I find that really hard to believe. I seriously doubt that the planners at the pentagon and in our govt have no plan

for the end. Planning is what they do, before operations ever start they have plans already in place.

It does not mean that everything will go according to plans. But I do not believe that this  operation

has no end game planned out. Not for one second. Speaking as Capt obvious here.....

.....the end game seems to be the removal of the Islamic Govt.

How is attacking infrastructure a war crime?

Power plants, rail roads, bridges etc all seem to be legitimate targets.

Are they not?

 

 

And what will go in place of the Islamic government? How will this "new government" take control? There are more of the same ready to take over. Just another never ending war costing us billions and skyrocketing our national debt....

 

Everyone knew that the Strait of Hormuz was Iran's fallback plan. Threatening to destroy the power plants of another nation is a war crime. It would affect the entire Iranian civilian population and environment. This is different than blowing up a train or a factory.  

[cutiger83]

But has been stated repeatedly, none of us knows what is really happening in this war/not war. Congress hasn't declared a war.  The US citizens are getting conflicting information.   Tweets in the middle of the night are not the way to inform our country what is happening in this war/not war. 

 

Time will tell the truth. Won't happen right away but hopefully in the near future....

[P-59A]

2 hours ago, cutiger83 said:

 

There is no end game. There is no hint of an end game. There is no "get ready" except for threatening to attack infrastructure if the strait is not opened which is a war crime.  

I`really`do`suggest`watching``Dr`Paine's`seminar's`on`world`geopolitics.`Dr.`Paine`goes`back`in`history`and`covers`major`player`nations...For``some`nations,`like`China`Dr`Paine`has`to`step`back`a`thousand`years`in`order`to`explaine`how`they`became`who`they`are`today.`For`someone`to`say`you`need`time`for`dust`to`settle`before`you`can`understand`an`event`and`then`not`look`at`the`past`when`the`dust`has`settled`strikes`me`as...something.

If`you`think`todays`news`is`a`one`off`event...it`is`not.`It`has`roots`that`run`deep`into`the`past.`If`you`do`not`at`least`have`an`understanding`of`that`past`then`you`will`never`understand`today`and`be`just`as`lost`about`tomorrow'

Spolier`alert`WW2`did`not`end`in``ticker`tape`parades.`It`quickley`morphed`into`the`Cold`War`and`that`in`fits`and`spirts`lead`us`to`today.

Are`you`ready`for`a`bigger`spoiler`alert?`The`end`game`is`survival.`If`you`had`watched`Dr.`Paine's`talks`on`geopolitics`you`would`have`known`this

[cutiger83]

4 minutes ago, P-59A said:

I`really`do`suggest`watching``Dr`Paine's`seminar's`on`world`geopolitics.`Dr.`Paine`goes`back`in`history`and`covers`major`player`nations...For``some`nations,`like`China`Dr`Paine`has`to`step`back`a`thousand`years`in`order`to`explaine`how`they`became`who`they`are`today.`For`someone`to`say`you`need`time`for`dust`to`settle`before`you`can`understand`an`event`and`then`not`look`at`the`past`when`the`dust`has`settled`strikes`me`as...something.

If`you`think`todays`news`is`a`one`off`event...it`is`not.`It`has`roots`that`run`deep`into`the`past.`If`you`do`not`at`least`have`an`understanding`of`that`past`then`you`will`never`understand`today`and`be`just`as`lost`about`tomorrow'

Spolier`alert`WW2`did`not`end`in``ticker`tape`parades.`It`quickley`morphed`into`the`Cold`War`and`that`in`fits`and`spirts`lead`us`to`today.

Are`you`ready`for`a`bigger`spoiler`alert?`The`end`game`is`survival.`If`you`had`watched`Dr.`Paine's`talks`on`geopolitics`you`would`have`known`this

 

So is this a war or not a war? Congress has not declared a war. Congress is not being informed what is happening. The Pentagon is not calling the shots. The entire team at the FBI who specialised in top secret intelligence in the Middle East was fired a week before this war/not war was atarted.  Our allies were not consulted. Now we are asking our allies for help after we started this? Seriously? We can look back in history and see all sorts of fiascos started in the name of "self preservation". The US intelligence has said there was no imminent threat from Iran. Officials are resigning because they do not support this war/not war. 

 

This thread is turning political and needs to be closed. We will never agree. Time will tell the truth....

[P-59A]

22 minutes ago, cutiger83 said:

 

So is this a war or not a war? Congress has not declared a war. Congress is not being informed what is happening. The Pentagon is not calling the shots. The entire team at the FBI who specialised in top secret intelligence in the Middle East was fired a week before this war/not war was atarted.  Our allies were not consulted. Now we are asking our allies for help after we started this? Seriously? We can look back in history and see all sorts of fiascos started in the name of "self preservation". The US intelligence has said there was no imminent threat from Iran. Officials are resigning because they do not support this war/not war. 

 

This thread is turning political and needs to be closed. We will never agree. Time will tell the truth....

You`are`the`one`turning`this`into`a`political`debate.`Do`you`not`see`this?``You`bait`the`conversation`with`your`points`of`view`then`cry`fowl`when`someone`takes`your`bait.`

[cutiger83]

4 minutes ago, P-59A said:

You`are`the`one`turning`this`into`a`political`debate.`Do`you`not`see`this?``You`bait`the`conversation`with`your`points`of`view`then`cry`fowl`when`someone`takes`your`bait.`

 

So exactly how can you debate a conflict with global impacts happening at this very moment without it turning political?  You believe this war/not war was started for one reason. I believe it was started for another. 

 

You start a discussion about something happening right now that you believe is history. It is not history. It is current events. 

[Wade20th]

Regardless of who is turning it political, I do think it's probably time to stop the topic from getting out of hand. 

Wade

[P-59A]

The`war`powers`act`is`clearly`layed`out.`For`those`who`do`not`understand`it`may`I`suggest`reading`it.

[P-59A]

5 minutes ago, Wade20th said:

Regardless of who is turning it political, I do think it's probably time to stop the topic from getting out of hand. 

Wade

Or,`abide`by`the`confines`of`the`discussion.`In`a`rules`based`order`that`would`be`the`norm.

[manayunkman]

From what I gather the end game looks like this, the Iranian people topple the government with help from defectors and possibly the Kurds who’s threat of uprising against the clerics will syphon off much needed troops to quell them.

 

We have control of the air, we need to continue to search and destroy all their missile launching capabilities until it’s done.

 

They lied about the distance their missiles can travel so it’s very important to take out this capability before one lands in our lap.
 

At the same time start up with more tactical capabilities to help the people take their objectives, for example the Israeli drone attacks on militia checkpoints.

 

There must be SF soldiers on the ground organizing the logistics and training the right personnel to accomplish this.

 

And I for one do not agree with negotiating, these guys have to go or repent and change their tune.

 

It’s clear that they don’t plan on changing so Unconditional surrender.

 

Once this has been accomplished Putin will lose his source of revenue to keep fighting as oil prices fall.

 

Food prices will come down as Ukraine can ramp up its farming to peace time production and export food. 
 

There are more big picture advantages to accomplishing this mission so it’s important to finish the job.

 

[P-59A]

45 minutes ago, manayunkman said:

From what I gather the end game looks like this, the Iranian people topple the government with help from defectors and possibly the Kurds who’s threat of uprising against the clerics will syphon off much needed troops to quell them.

 

We have control of the air, we need to continue to search and destroy all their missile launching capabilities until it’s done.

 

They lied about the distance their missiles can travel so it’s very important to take out this capability before one lands in our lap.
 

At the same time start up with more tactical capabilities to help the people take their objectives, for example the Israeli drone attacks on militia checkpoints.

 

There must be SF soldiers on the ground organizing the logistics and training the right personnel to accomplish this.

 

And I for one do not agree with negotiating, these guys have to go or repent and change their tune.

 

It’s clear that they don’t plan on changing so Unconditional surrender.

 

Once this has been accomplished Putin will lose his source of revenue to keep fighting as oil prices fall.

 

Food prices will come down as Ukraine can ramp up its farming to peace time production and export food. 
 

There are more big picture advantages to accomplishing this mission so it’s important to finish the job.

 

I`sent`a`PM.All`of`this`is`complicated`and`can`spin`fast.

[Salvage Sailor]

Tread lightly

 

 

[The Rooster]

This conversation, no offense intended toward anyone.. is pointless.

As has been stated, this is current events not history.

An enemy should never be underestimated and there should be no high fives

and no declarations of mission accomplished,

until it really is accomplished.

Nothing we say here, or disagreements or agreements

will change the outcome of 

any of it.

As for me, after hearing Death to America since

I was a Junior in High School being directed at this country from Iran.,,,,,

I'd say its about time.

We were signing a song in basic training in 82..

" Iran,, Iran,,,,Late at night when your sleeping the ayatollah comes creeping all around".. Iran...

They sang a different version of it during Vietnam days....

The Charlie...VC or Ho chi min substituted for the ayatollah.

They told us in basic in 82 we were going to war with Iran, and with no access to news papers radio or TV.. we believed it!~

This war is a reckoning almost a half century in the making.

I dont think waiting until they got a nuke was a good idea.

My 2 cents.

Prayers for our forces and our allies The Israelis.

 

[Salvage Sailor]

Aloha Everyone,

 

I concur.

 

We're the wrong venue for this current events discussion.  There are plenty of websites where anyone can post their observations and opinions on what is happening in the Gulf.  

 

This is not what we do, pure and simple.

 

I'd advise everyone to stick to Militaria on this site.