Jumper Dating

[Panzerjunky]

Good evening 

Got a quick question. I have a jumper with a std 1944 MFG tag in it but it also has another tag with laundry instructions. I know in 45 the verbiage changed on the tags but when was these laundry instruction tags used. I'm new to Navy gear so Mabee it's as common as the color blue with navy stuff. 

Thanks Jerry 

[29navy]

In Jeff Warner's book, the cleaning instructions appear to be added after 1945.  The Clothing Factory tag would indicate the the item was made before 1945 when (at some time, not sure of the exact date) it was changed to the Clothing Depot. The cleaning tag was added sometime later to this jumper.

[Panzerjunky]

9 hours ago, 29navy said:

In Jeff Warner's book, the cleaning instructions appear to be added after 1945.  The Clothing Factory tag would indicate the the item was made before 1945 when (at some time, not sure of the exact date) it was changed to the Clothing Depot. The cleaning tag was added sometime later to this jumper.

Thank you very much. But that brings up another question. If the Jumper is1944 based on tag. and the laundry tag didn't happen till after 45. who, when and why would a laundry tag be installed on an already owned jumper?

Thanks jerry

[DD937]

This might be the first version of this tag, the post ww2 tag is one piece. This might be a ww2 early version of the post ww2 tag . i don't think the tag was added later

[DD937]

One thing to note for the future, when you post a uniform picture add more pics for context.

[Panzerjunky]

2 hours ago, DD937 said:

One thing to note for the future, when you post a uniform picture add more pics for context.

Will do Sir .

Do you want some more pics of this Jumper???

Thanks Jerry

[DD937]

Yes, I am sorry but I have a  friend ie picker who sends me pics of tags on militaria and wants full disclosure on items..... then disputes my opinion.... extra pics add to the context and helps with the discussion. I am truely sorry to seemingly vent on you but my so called freind  does not seem to learn.

[29navy]

15 hours ago, Panzerjunky said:

Thank you very much. But that brings up another question. If the Jumper is1944 based on tag. and the laundry tag didn't happen till after 45. who, when and why would a laundry tag be installed on an already owned jumper?

Thanks jerry

Probably for jumpers (and other uniform items) that were in the supply system or still being made in the factory/contractors, added the tag when the requirement for that tag was approved. Keep in mind that when something was approved, it took a while for  it to hit the Fleet as there were so many uniforms being made and still in the system. So this jumper, even though it has the "old tag", may have been made in 1945 or later because they had so many of the old tags already made and just used them untill they printed up new ones.

[Panzerjunky]

4 hours ago, DD937 said:

Yes, I am sorry but I have a  friend ie picker who sends me pics of tags on militaria and wants full disclosure on items..... then disputes my opinion.... extra pics add to the context and helps with the discussion. I am truely sorry to seemingly vent on you but my so called freind  does not seem to learn.

You Sir are not venting at all. Every comment made by someone to me on this forum Teaches me something. In a hobby that is almost 100% driven by Knowledge. I am most appreciative.  When I get home this evening I'll shoot some more pics .and once again I 100% appreciate all the help I get on this site. 

Thanks jerry

[Panzerjunky]

4 hours ago, 29navy said:

Probably for jumpers (and other uniform items) that were in the supply system or still being made in the factory/contractors, added the tag when the requirement for that tag was approved. Keep in mind that when something was approved, it took a while for  it to hit the Fleet as there were so many uniforms being made and still in the system. So this jumper, even though it has the "old tag", may have been made in 1945 or later because they had so many of the old tags already made and just used them untill they printed up new ones.

Thank you 

I kind of figured that but was unsure. As I am learning there is really no hard fast timeline.

[Panzerjunky]

10 hours ago, DD937 said:

Yes, I am sorry but I have a  friend ie picker who sends me pics of tags on militaria and wants full disclosure on items..... then disputes my opinion.... extra pics add to the context and helps with the discussion. I am truely sorry to seemingly vent on you but my so called freind  does not seem to learn.

Ok sir Here are pics of 2 separate jumpers and one pair of trousers Jumper No 2 due to make I feel is from the 1970's Not sure on jumper 1 with the laundry tag. Also, while we are at it.  On the trousers. When did they go from pockets in the waist band to at the seam of the waistband and pants.

[Panzerjunky]

I'll send separate so the file is not too large 

[Panzerjunky]

Jumper 2

[Panzerjunky]

Lastly what do laundry gromets and draw strings look like on a WW2 jumper. I have trousers with the grommets but never seen them on a jumper.

Thanks Jerry

[DD937]

You may be hyper focusing on minor details, the extra pictures are much more helpful.

[29navy]

13 hours ago, Panzerjunky said:

Lastly what do laundry gromets and draw strings look like on a WW2 jumper. I have trousers with the grommets but never seen them on a jumper.

Thanks Jerry

Blues and whites don't have laundry grommets.  They have fabric loops that you use to tie them to the laundry line with your clothing stops. What trousers do you have with grommets.  For the draw string, are you talking about the drawstring at the bottom hem of the early (pre-1944)  the blue jumpers?

[Panzerjunky]

23 hours ago, DD937 said:

You may be hyper focusing on minor details, the extra pictures are much more helpful.

I'm sorry sir 

I'm not understanding your Response. It is my opinion that it's the minor details and recognizing and then identifying that makes the difference.  

I'm simply trying to pigeon hole these trousers and jumpers into an era. WW2 ,Korea, Nam . Just for my education and cataloguing purposes. 

Thanks again for your help 

Jerry

[Panzerjunky]

11 hours ago, 29navy said:

Blues and whites don't have laundry grommets.  They have fabric loops that you use to tie them to the laundry line with your clothing stops. What trousers do you have with grommets.  For the draw string, are you talking about the drawstring at the bottom hem of the early (pre-1944)  the blue jumpers?

This ties into a question I asked earlier . About when did the pockets move from the waistband to the seam of the waistband and the trousers. These trousers have the pockets in the waist band and the 2 small (what I am calling gromets) on each side. From what I understand that feature and the Mfg. tag puts them Pre-1944. I don't have an example of a Jumper with the Drawstring at the waist and laundry gromets. or are those fabric loops what I am talking about. Or when did the jumpers go from grommets to loops. If that's what happened.  This was discussed on this forum before and now I for the life of me can't find that post. as That's what got me on this drawstring grommet Kick. 

[sigsaye]

On 1/29/2026 at 7:54 PM, Panzerjunky said:

Ok sir Here are pics of 2 separate jumpers and one pair of trousers Jumper No 2 due to make I feel is from the 1970's Not sure on jumper 1 with the laundry tag. Also, while we are at it.  On the trousers. When did they go from pockets in the waist band to at the seam of the waistband and pants.

This jumper is post 1948, due to the stripes and striker mark RDSN (Radarman Seaman). 

[sigsaye]

On 1/29/2026 at 7:55 PM, Panzerjunky said:

Jumper 2

This is a commercially made jumper from the 1960s. 

[sigsaye]

The laundry eyelets on jumpers were located in the hem, on the sides. The draw string was also located in the hem, inside, with the ends coming out of 2 eyelets, center front. These were eliminated in the first post war contracts. Along with the eyelets and pocket zipper in the trousers. The eyelets were replaced with the cotton tape loops you see on your jumpers. 

[29navy]

The specs for the jumpers call for the two eyelets on either side of the jumper on the hem up to 1943 (I only have up to then). I looked through some of my stash of uniforms and noticed that the long jumpers with the draw string have the eyelets. However, the short ones I have (made when they shortened the Jumpers in 1944)  do not have the eyelets but have the loops. So they may have made that change in 1944. [My earlier comment about them not having grommets was wrong.  My apologies.  However, the Navy calls them eyelets.  I'll use that as my defense at my trial.]

 

Also, I have a pair of trousers contract dated June/July 1944 that does not have the eyelets but has the loops on the inside. So maybe that changed around the same time as the jumpers.

[sigsaye]

4 minutes ago, 29navy said:

The specs for the jumpers call for the two eyelets on either side of the jumper on the hem up to 1943 (I only have up to then). I looked through some of my stash of uniforms and noticed that the long jumpers with the draw string have the eyelets. However, the short ones I have (made when they shortened the Jumpers in 1944)  do not have the eyelets but have the loops. So they may have made that change in 1944. [My earlier comment about them not having grommets was wrong.  My apologies.  However, the Navy calls them eyelets.  I'll use that as my defense at my trial.]

 

Also, I have a pair of trousers contract dated June/July 1944 that does not have the eyelets but has the loops on the inside. So maybe that changed around the same time as the jumpers.

I remember they changed got rid of the eyelets and drawstrings, ‘44 sounds right. Couldn’t remember for sure. The thing is though, using that to date the uniforms can get tricky. My dad was issued uniforms with the eyelets and drawstrings strings in 1947, and was still getting them into the 1950s. There were just so many in stock. 

[sigsaye]

4 minutes ago, sigsaye said:

I remember they changed got rid of the eyelets and drawstrings, ‘44 sounds right. Couldn’t remember for sure. The thing is though, using that to date the uniforms can get tricky. My dad was issued uniforms with the eyelets and drawstrings strings in 1947, and was still getting them into the 1950s. There were just so many in stock. 

Interestingly, 53 years ago, (today actually, when I was in Boot Camp in Great Lakes, we had guys who received WW2 era white jumpers. They were odd looking with the patch pocket, neckerchief loop and single layer collar. They were still burning old stock   

[Panzerjunky]

On 2/2/2026 at 2:36 PM, sigsaye said:

I remember they changed got rid of the eyelets and drawstrings, ‘44 sounds right. Couldn’t remember for sure. The thing is though, using that to date the uniforms can get tricky. My dad was issued uniforms with the eyelets and drawstrings strings in 1947, and was still getting them into the 1950s. There were just so many in stock. 

I've been using this old post as a guide for some time. Does anyone have a pic of what the drawstring looks like on a Jumper??

Thanks Jerry