Extremely salty graffitied and named Nam’ helmet. Possibly ID’d!

[Gear Fanatic]

No, that’s why I’m going to contact the Muscogee history and cultural department to see if there’s any significance besides what I’ve read on the internet. I tried looking to find elders from the tribe to contact, but to no avail. I need to find out what unit he was in. Tagt is the priority, but Like I said above, I keep getting so close and then it makes me try to pay which I can’t do…

I suck at research and this is getting very frustrating…

[P-59A]

1 minute ago, P-59A said:

Have you figured out what the arrow heads mean?

 

I think he is marking time. 12 lines is 12 months and 4 arrow heads per line denote the 4 weeks  found in a month. As the statement below lays out his construct of a way to mark time could fall under this .

 

 

The Diversity of Native American Calendars

It’s crucial to remember that there’s no single “Native American calendar.” The diverse tribes across North and South America developed unique systems reflecting their specific environments and cultural practices. Some relied on lunar cycles, others on solar cycles, and many incorporated both. These differences highlight the richness and complexity of their methods for Native American timekeeping.

Each calendar wasn’t simply a tracking system; it was a fundamental aspect of their way of life, guiding agricultural practices, ceremonies, and social organization. This integrated approach underscores the deep connection between Native American cultures and the natural world.

Studying these diverse systems reveals a remarkable understanding of astronomy and a sophisticated appreciation for the rhythms of nature. Understanding the nuances of each calendar requires careful consideration of its context.

[P-59A]

13 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

No, that’s why I’m going to contact the Muscogee history and cultural department to see if there’s any significance besides what I’ve read on the internet. I tried looking to find elders from the tribe to contact, but to no avail. I need to find out what unit he was in. Tagt is the priority, but Like I said above, I keep getting so close and then it makes me try to pay which I can’t do…

I suck at research and this is getting very frustrating…

Ask them about the arrow heads being used to mark time

[Gear Fanatic]

That’s true, I’m really stumped, I hate to ask for a handout, but can someone please just put in a few minutes to search his name in fold3 or something of the sort. Without the info of when he was in country, this can’t move forward. I’ve tried so many different sits, and I can’t find anything. I’ve even looked at the “free sites for research” topic in individual and unit research and out of all of those I couldn’t figure out anything. I don’t know what the next step is without having to pay for something which I can’t do because I’m broke and have no source of payment.

[Gear Fanatic]

3 minutes ago, P-59A said:

Ask them about the arrow heads being used to mark time

Yes, I will be calling them tommorow 👍

[644td]

13 hours ago, Gear Fanatic said:

Can’t make a request, Not allowed to. I am pretty young and parents got mad when I was walking through it and I needed to put down my social security number. So that’s out of the picture, any idea on an alternate option?

With The FOIA you to not have to give your Social Security number. 
Vietnam veterans information has not been released to fold3 the only way to get information on them is through this site.

Is the research Vietnam vets the more information you have about the person the better but sometimes that’s not always an option. With this person‘s name, he should be the only one in the database.

 It’s the only way that I can research Vietnam veterans.

[P-59A]

Who is kin to this guy? In the past I found the Veterans Administration to be helpful. NOK should be able to open doors.

[The Rooster]

Im going with each arrowhead represents a week in country......

49 weeks and 3 weeks out processing and moving back to conus.

For a one year tour..... Seems like some of those arrowheads.. if not all have a line drawn through them..... ?

Denoting a week finished ???

It seems plausible but I dont know for a fact.

I dont know how it worked exactly.

?

[Gear Fanatic]

I agree, that does sound plausible. About a year in country seems doable and I would imagine fairly common. I’ll work on trying to find his next of kin. Contacting him/her would be very difficult I would imagine as well.

[Gear Fanatic]

I already went through the process of getting the ID.me app because you need That to verify yourself. In that application it asks for your social security.

3 hours ago, 644td said:

With The FOIA you to not have to give your Social Security number. 
Vietnam veterans information has not been released to fold3 the only way to get information on them is through this site.

Is the research Vietnam vets the more information you have about the person the better but sometimes that’s not always an option. With this person‘s name, he should be the only one in the database.

 It’s the only way that I can research Vietnam veterans.

 

[P-59A]

11 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

I agree, that does sound plausible. About a year in country seems doable and I would imagine fairly common. I’ll work on trying to find his next of kin. Contacting him/her would be very difficult I would imagine as well.

Look for who is related to his son. Did he have a wife? Check the grave yard for NOK.

[Gear Fanatic]

Yes he married a 16 year old in 1973 at the age of 24, they had a daughter I think, I’ll need to check, I’m pretty sure I can get that info.

[644td]

25 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

I already went through the process of getting the ID.me app because you need That to verify yourself. In that application it asks for your social security.

 

I forgot about that with the new system. That’s on me, sorry about that. I think you can submit paper copies and not have to go through the that process. The ID.me is for viewing online results 

[Gear Fanatic]

I was thinking of doing that, but I looked at the form, and it looks pretty complicated. Plus I might not know all the info.and even if I did J Donny have the adobe software to type it out on. I’ll check again, but I don’t think I can do either.

 

[Gear Fanatic]

Checked it, he was not married, couldn’t find anything. And his daughter, I was just imagining things, he only had a son, the only way I knew they were related to was because Our guy was on the finds grave for his son. So finding next of kin that would know enough about him is out of the picture.

32 minutes ago, P-59A said:

Look for who is related to his son. Did he have a wife? Check the grave yard for NOK.

 

[P-59A]

10 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

Checked it, he was not married, couldn’t find anything. And his daughter, I was just imagining things, he only had a son, the only way I knew they were related to was because Our guy was on the finds grave for his son. So finding next of kin that would know enough about him is out of the picture.

 

If you had read down on the find a grave you would have noticed two people left comments.

Just between you and me the longest it ever took me to find NOK was 4 years. I had to ask a paper in Canada for help.

[Gear Fanatic]

I did read down, there both listed as anonymous 

[Gear Fanatic]

[P-59A]

50 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

We seem to be looking at different sites. I'll dig back to find it.

[P-59A]

https://www.ancientfaces.com/person/john-louis-harjo-birth-1948-death-1999/66261622

[P-59A]

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/753598/john-louis-harjo   two people

[Gear Fanatic]

I did search up the harry simspon guy on tinder a grave, and guess what came up first? A Native American looking man who was with the 11th Cav. In Vietnam. Might have known him.

[P-59A]

11 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

I did search up the harry simspon guy on tinder a grave, and guess what came up first? A Native American looking man who was with the 11th Cav. In Vietnam. Might have known him.

Start digging!!!!

[Gear Fanatic]

Well he’s dead, so that’s a shame, back to square one, seams like ghat guy might hav been in country while he was, I also searched the sight you PM’d me and there’s nothing. I tried searching Missouri and Kansas death for OK residents and I checked for Muscogee specifically to. Still nothing. There’s plenty of Harjo’s, but no our guy.

[P-59A]

4 minutes ago, Gear Fanatic said:

Well he’s dead, so that’s a shame, back to square one, seams like ghat guy might hav been in country while he was, I also searched the sight you PM’d me and there’s nothing. I tried searching Missouri and Kansas death for OK residents and I checked for Muscogee specifically to. Still nothing. There’s plenty of Harjo’s, but no our guy.

You can use that site with different years in place of what I sent you. Look for that guys NOK