semper-fidelis Posted April 26 #1 Posted April 26 Good morning Gentlemen My latest finds.I know the 739th & 771st aren't great (just made for collectors) but that doesn't matter.
cavscout6b Posted April 29 #2 Posted April 29 There are some pre- and post-WW2 National Guard MP crests, representing the state formations, that weren't part of a division. Some states (Like MN...) supplied a division (34th) with the MP Co., so the unit crest served a "dual purpose". Consequently, other states in the 34th Div. did have an MP platoon or such, bearing the state heraldry, but were independent. (IA, ND and SD). Most clever was the 31st, which showed all states in the division, but could be rotated for state the unit was in. It's all sort of weird, but fun. The only exception I've found thus far, is the 41st Div. The division MP company was located in Green River, WY, and the ONLY Wyoming unit in the division. Pre-WW2, WYNG had a cavalry regiment, some support units and affiliation with the 24th Cavalry Div. The 41st MP Co. was the exception, and I've never seen or known of an example to exist bearing the Wyoming heraldry.
cavscout6b Posted April 30 #4 Posted April 30 Here's all the National Guard divisions, with their respective MP Co. DUI's, mostly at pre-WW2. The exceptions are the 41st, which was moved to Oregon after WW2, and 42nd, which was resurrected in 1943. (Both shown are post-WW2.) I have never seen a DUI for the 39th ID (1946-1967), which was located in Little Rock, AR. Many were based in smaller cities or rural areas, as the company was only expected or alloted around 60% of TO&E. Other states or large cities had an excess of staffing or large pools of "trained" civilian personnel and resources. (Example: Boston PD was able to provide the bulk of the 26th MP Co., NYPD the 27th, DC the 29th, and Chicago PD the 33rd.) I'll have to dig around and see which states that had "independent" NG MP units. These were usually small formations, (companies or platoons) and were intended to be combined for placement at Corps, Army or "battle group" level upon activation.
Allan H. Posted April 30 #5 Posted April 30 You've got a beautiful collection of some very hard to find unit crests. My only question is shouldn't the pelican on the 31st Division DUI be on top? Allan
cavscout6b Posted April 30 #6 Posted April 30 43 minutes ago, Allan H. said: You've got a beautiful collection of some very hard to find unit crests. My only question is shouldn't the pelican on the 31st Division DUI be on top? Allan The 31st MP Co. was based in Prichard, AL. The division DUI included all 4 states that made up the 31st Div. until after WW2. Although rarely done, the clever design allowed it to be rotated to represent whichever state the assigned troops were part of. Initially, I think the 31st MP Co. was alloted to Florida, but then was moved to Alabama in the mid-30's, settling in Prichard after 1937.
Allan H. Posted April 30 #7 Posted April 30 57 minutes ago, cavscout6b said: The 31st MP Co. was based in Prichard, AL. The division DUI included all 4 states that made up the 31st Div. until after WW2. Although rarely done, the clever design allowed it to be rotated to represent whichever state the assigned troops were part of. Initially, I think the 31st MP Co. was allotted to Florida, but then was moved to Alabama in the mid-30's, settling in Prichard after 1937. Thank you for the lesson! I learned something new today. I do not know of any other DUI that could be properly worn in multiple positions. Allan
Mike M. Posted April 30 #9 Posted April 30 Hello, Can anyone identify this badge....AI states it is a reconnaissance base in a Hispanic AF . Possibly Spain or a South American country. The badge is metal and enamel and suggested is comes from around the 1930s to WWII. Any help would be appreciated.
cavscout6b Posted May 3 #11 Posted May 3 On 4/30/2025 at 10:12 AM, semper-fidelis said: Thanks again for these explanations What's the black measured boxes you have your pins displayed on? I REALLY like the look of that. I'm guessing you put them on there to make a reference pic? Smart man!
cavscout6b Posted May 3 #12 Posted May 3 A few others for reference and discussion: Variations of 38th Div. MP Co. (Both styles were worn.) 42nd MP Co. North Carolina Variations of 26th Div. (Mass.) and 27th Div. (NY) Iowa, North Dakota and Michigan (Michigan may have been used by the post-WW2 46th Inf. Div.) 40th Infantry/Armored Div. (Post-WW2, the 40th was expanded to include elements from Montana (L) and Idaho (R), which were then added.
semper-fidelis Posted May 3 Author #13 Posted May 3 2 hours ago, cavscout6b said: What's the black measured boxes you have your pins displayed on? I REALLY like the look of that. I'm guessing you put them on there to make a reference pic? Smart man! Hello cavscout6b It's a Cutting Mat This is an excellent way of giving an idea of the dimensions.
Mike M. Posted May 4 #14 Posted May 4 That is a butcher block cutting board. Do you have any references for the Chilean AF that I can review?
cavscout6b Posted May 6 #15 Posted May 6 On 4/26/2025 at 1:42 PM, semper-fidelis said: Good morning Gentlemen My latest finds.I know the 739th & 771st aren't great (just made for collectors) but that doesn't matter. What other MP unit DUI's do you have? Is that your area of interest or just a portion of your complete collection?
cavscout6b Posted May 6 #17 Posted May 6 10 hours ago, semper-fidelis said: Good morning cavscout6b it's my collection - You've got some GOOD stuff there. I see some rare, short-lived and WW2 stateside units there. Some of them can be confusing, especially with renumbering and deactivation after WW2. (Same DUI and lineage; but different number.)
semper-fidelis Posted May 6 Author #18 Posted May 6 Thank you for your help. I base my research on the ASMIC MP catalogue.
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