Mexican Border Service Medals

[gunbb]

I have these 2 medals, each different from the other. The one with a ribbon I picked up in a cigar box full of medals from a guy who got this medal, WW1 and WW2 medals . It's numbered, 2564 . The other I can't remember where I found it. Probably some show where the person had no idea what it was. It's also numbered ,"No 8369 " . So is one a reissue or what gives ? Thanks .  

[USMCR79]

Mexican Border 2564 issued to 1st Lt. Edmund J. Randall - Philadelphia PA

 

Mexico Service No. 8369 issued to PFC Bernard W. Rodgers Company "G" 5th Cav.

 

If you go to this site you can find their medal issue records:

 

https://catalog.archives.gov/search-within/601682

 

Bill

[gunbb]

Thanks. But why the difference in medal style and layout ? Also I tried that link and couldn't find Randall. 

[USMCR79]

Typically the Regular Army received the Mexico Service Campaign  Medal because it covers 1911-20

 

The National Guard Units that were federalized in 1916 received the Mexican Border Campaign Medal.

 

Found Randall with no problem.

[USMCR79]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Border_Service_Medal

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Service_Medal

[atb]

26 minutes ago, USMCR79 said:

Typically the Regular Army received the Mexico Service Campaign  Medal because it covers 1911-20

 

The National Guard Units that were federalized in 1916 received the Mexican Border Campaign Medal.

 

Found Randall with no problem.

Each of the medals had different criteria. Many Regulars qualified for the MBSM and not the MSM.

[gunbb]

11 hours ago, atb said:

Each of the medals had different criteria. Many Regulars qualified for the MBSM and not the MSM.

Thanks again. I now know and will put them side by side in my US Medal collection. I would like to have a piece of the ribbon and a ribbon bar for the 1911-20 medal. There's one on the net for $1.50 but shipped it's like $13 !! I'd rather give the money to any of you who have a spare piece of ribbon and a bar. 

[atb]

Mexican Border Service Medal- Authorized July 9, 1918 originally for Federalized National Guard troops who did not qualify for the Mexican Service Medal. Eligibility extended to Nationl Guard and Regular Army troops for service between May 1916 and March 1917, or service with the Mexican Border Patrol between January 1, 1916 and April 6, 1917.

 

Mexican Service Medal- For service in eight specific expeditions or engagements, or "any action against hostile Mexicans in which US troops were killed or wounded between 12 April 1911 and 17 February 1917."

 

Information from The Call of Duty by Strandberg and Bender.

[gunbb]

1 hour ago, atb said:

Mexican Border Service Medal- Authorized July 9, 1918 originally for Federalized National Guard troops who did not qualify for the Mexican Service Medal. Eligibility extended to Nationl Guard and Regular Army troops for service between May 1916 and March 1917, or service with the Mexican Border Patrol between January 1, 1916 and April 6, 1917.

 

Mexican Service Medal- For service in eight specific expeditions or engagements, or "any action against hostile Mexicans in which US troops were killed or wounded between 12 April 1911 and 17 February 1917."

 

Information from The Call of Duty by Strandberg and Bender.

Thanks again for the info.

[McChizzle]

Looks like the DoD is establishing a new Mexican Border Defense Medal. Note they are calling it the "...Defense Medal" vs the "...Service Medal."

- https://www.reddit.com/r/army/comments/1mrcwk2/mexican_border_defense_medal_just_dropped/
- https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1G2TDZ4ZV1/
- https://www.instagram.com/p/DNeCx0eRlfM/