USN Blue winter "Donald duck hat" Contract number on a label

[nicolas75]

Hello

 

I'm a bit confusing about this label on a USN Blue winter "Donald duck hat" 

 

I can see 1933 on the far right but a contract begining by DA (which i was told was Korean or Nam wars decades)

 

Thanks

[Father V]

Unless you have other examples quoted by experts, it’s best to assume that anything that looks like a date isn’t actually one but a coincidence.

[Father V]

That seems to be particularly true of the TAP items. Some are listed here and seem to defy the usual DA number patterns https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/174702-list-of-contract-numbers-1910-1989/

 

[Salvage Sailor]

I'd wager that that flat hat is post-war manufacture, it was used through Korean War and into the 1950's as a regular uniform item.  The contract number will tell the tale.

 

Cap, Cloth, Blue

A cap made of dark blue melton and without a visor. The crown shall be cut in one piece and shall be attached with a cord seam to the quarters, which shall be joined to the band with a lap seam that shall form the upper edge of recess to contain the cap ribbon, the lower edge of recess being formed by welt near bottom of band. A bow made from 1½-inch silk shall be attached to band in center of left side. The cap shall be lined with black Venetian and shall have leather sweatband. A piece of oiled silk or similar material shall be sewed to crown lining to protect it from being soiled by contact with hair of wearer. The front of the cap shall be so constructed to produce required rake in the crown and the sides shall be so padded to give required flare, and no grommet shall be used to shape cap. Cap ribbon of black silk 1½ inches wide shall be worn around the band of the cap marked "U.S. NAVY", or "U.S. NAVAL RESERVE".

ENLISTED MEN (Below the rank of Chief Petty Officer): The Blue Cloth Cap was worn with the following uniforms;

Dress, Blue, A.

Full Dress, Blue, A.

Undress, Blue, A.

Working Dress, Blue, A.

 

1833 - A simple description of the Blue Cloth Cap appears in the Navy Uniform Regulations for the first time (Article 601).

1 September 1933 - Uniform Regulations Change No. 10 dated 16 February 1933 becomes effective, which introduced a new design that would remain in use throughout the WW2 era.

 

1939 - Specification 73-C-1C; Caps, Blue, Cloth.

 

January 1941 - Names of ships and stations removed from ribbon.

 

25 July 1946 - Specification 55-C-43; name changed to Caps, Blue.

 

15 December 1950 - Specification
MIL-C-16111; Caps, Blue.

 

18 October 1951 - Specification
MIL-C-16111A; Caps, Blue.

 

20 March 1959 - Uniform regulations no longer lists the blue cap as a regular uniform article for enlisted men.

 

1 April 1963 - Retired from service.

 

 

[sigsaye]

14 hours ago, Salvage Sailor said:

I'd wager that that flat hat is post-war manufacture, it was used through Korean War and into the 1950's as a regular uniform item.  The contract number will tell the tale.

 

Cap, Cloth, Blue

A cap made of dark blue melton and without a visor. The crown shall be cut in one piece and shall be attached with a cord seam to the quarters, which shall be joined to the band with a lap seam that shall form the upper edge of recess to contain the cap ribbon, the lower edge of recess being formed by welt near bottom of band. A bow made from 1½-inch silk shall be attached to band in center of left side. The cap shall be lined with black Venetian and shall have leather sweatband. A piece of oiled silk or similar material shall be sewed to crown lining to protect it from being soiled by contact with hair of wearer. The front of the cap shall be so constructed to produce required rake in the crown and the sides shall be so padded to give required flare, and no grommet shall be used to shape cap. Cap ribbon of black silk 1½ inches wide shall be worn around the band of the cap marked "U.S. NAVY", or "U.S. NAVAL RESERVE".

ENLISTED MEN (Below the rank of Chief Petty Officer): The Blue Cloth Cap was worn with the following uniforms;

Dress, Blue, A.

Full Dress, Blue, A.

Undress, Blue, A.

Working Dress, Blue, A.

 

1833 - A simple description of the Blue Cloth Cap appears in the Navy Uniform Regulations for the first time (Article 601).

1 September 1933 - Uniform Regulations Change No. 10 dated 16 February 1933 becomes effective, which introduced a new design that would remain in use throughout the WW2 era.

 

1939 - Specification 73-C-1C; Caps, Blue, Cloth.

 

January 1941 - Names of ships and stations removed from ribbon.

 

25 July 1946 - Specification 55-C-43; name changed to Caps, Blue.

 

15 December 1950 - Specification
MIL-C-16111; Caps, Blue.

 

18 October 1951 - Specification
MIL-C-16111A; Caps, Blue.

 

20 March 1959 - Uniform regulations no longer lists the blue cap as a regular uniform article for enlisted men.

 

1 April 1963 - Retired from service.

 

 

  As an aside, I knew a guy, (Fellow Signalman), who was issued one in 1963. He said he was in the last Recruit Company to receive them. I remember, about that same time, my dad gave me his, as he no longer had to maintain it in his sea bag. He regretted that. He liked his flat hat. Of course, I wore the thing all the time, I was 8, so it was soon ruined. It was interesting, we lived in Navy Housing, on base in San Diego then, so just about every kid in the neighborhood was sporting flat hats!🤣🤣🤣👍🏻⚓️

[US82Bravo]

An internet search for the contract number provided the following from a court case giving a time frame for the contract number.  Based on the article the  date of execution for the contract shown on the label above was May 27, 1953.  In part - 

 

'Three contracts for the manufacture of service caps were awarded to plaintiff. The dates of execution were February 8, 1950, March 30, 1951, and May 27, 1953. Final delivery under the first two contracts occurred within 1 year of the respective execution dates; final delivery on the third contract occurred in October 1954. Each contract called for numerous payments to plaintiff, and under the price-discount provision (provided in each agreement), promptness in the making of such payments permitted the Government to claim a 5-percent-cost reduction. The genesis of the present suit relates to the correctness of the discounts claimed (and taken) by the Government.

 

Contract DA-30-280 QM 1761 (hereinafter QM 1761) was with the Department of the Army for the fabrication and delivery of 500,000 service caps.

 

Contract DA-30-280 QM 13919 (hereinafter QM 13919) was with the Department of the Army for the fabrication and delivery of 181,976 service caps.

 

Contract DA-30-352-TAP-1933 (hereinafter TAP-1933) was with the Armed Services Textile and Apparel Procurement Agency for the fabrication and delivery of 240,000 service caps.

 

Contracts QM 1761 and TAP-1933 permitted the 5-percent discount if payment were made within 20 days; contract QM 13919 required payment within 15 days to qualify for the discount.'

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TAP-1933 is cited as the third contract in the original document.

 

The full article can be found here  -    https://casetext.com/case/schlesinger-v-united-states

 

A backdoor way to get a time frame.

 

Larry

[Father V]

Larry, I’m out of “likes” for the day, so I wanted to write this. That’s about the slickest piece of research I’ve seen on these Forums yet, and that’s saying something!

[nicolas75]

Thanks a lot !