Opinions on Late WWII/Korean war inland carbine?

[McSchlueter1944]

Any opinions on whether or not this carbine would make a good edition to a collection or to stay away from it. Only concern is the flat bolt not being replaced but who knows why. I’m looking for a nice redone ww2/Korean War carbine. Thanks! 

 

https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/30758.html#tab-label-product.info.description-title

[usmcdoc67]

 

What you should consider is that the Inland in question is in the 3rd block of production Nov. 43 to Aug 44. It was during this time frame the change over to Type 2 and Type 3 upgraded parts was taking place. In looking at the pictures I can see a lot of things that MAY/MIGHT be correct and not a rebuild as stated. The parts description pretty much list everything as Inland, but pics would have been nice. The flat bolt was still in use during that time so that doesn't seem out of the ordinary. NOT going to state it's ORIGINAL, but a QUALIFIED answer as being correct for period.   

[McSchlueter1944]

48 minutes ago, usmcdoc67 said:

 

What you should consider is that the Inland in question is in the 3rd block of production Nov. 43 to Aug 44. It was during this time frame the change over to Type 2 and Type 3 upgraded parts was taking place. In looking at the pictures I can see a lot of things that MAY/MIGHT be correct and not a rebuild as stated. The parts description pretty much list everything as Inland, but pics would have been nice. The flat bolt was still in use during that time so that doesn't seem out of the ordinary. NOT going to state it's ORIGINAL, but a QUALIFIED answer as being correct for period.   

Okay. As long as it’s somewhat correct for very late ww2/korean war I would be happy with it. It’s a very nice rifle but do you think the price is too high? I plan on keeping the rifle for many years so value will only increase in those years if I end up purchasing it. 

[Rhscott]

The lack of a fully round bolt is expected in a 1944 mfg M1 carbine and then even into 1953.  Per TM9-1276 the M1 did not need the round bolt and they saved the round ones for M2/M3 carbines….. or as much as possible.  I have a Inland 1-45 “hand strike” M1 with a original Inland flat bolt.

YMMV

[McSchlueter1944]

4 minutes ago, Rhscott said:

The lack of a fully round bolt is expected in a 1944 mfg M1 carbine and then even into 1953.  Per TM9-1276 the M1 did not need the round bolt and they saved the round ones for M2/M3 carbines….. or as much as possible.  I have a Inland 1-45 “hand strike” M1 with a original Inland flat bolt.

YMMV

Ahh that makes sense. Do you believe the one I listed is a good late ww2/korean war example ? It’s a little pricey but it seems to be a very nice rifle for that time period? 

[Rhscott]

38 minutes ago, McSchlueter1944 said:

Ahh that makes sense. Do you believe the one I listed is a good late ww2/korean war example ? It’s a little pricey but it seems to be a very nice rifle for that time period? 

Looks to be a nice carbine.  For Korea just about any configuration could be “normal” as these were last made in 1945 and huge numbers were overhauled right after the war so lots of parts swapping going on into 1950-53.

Prices?? Like real estate the prices for USGI small arms are a sellers market; not a buyers market.

[McSchlueter1944]

2 hours ago, Rhscott said:

Looks to be a nice carbine.  For Korea just about any configuration could be “normal” as these were last made in 1945 and huge numbers were overhauled right after the war so lots of parts swapping going on into 1950-53.

Prices?? Like real estate the prices for USGI small arms are a sellers market; not a buyers market.

Yeah that makes complete sense. I have ONE more if you’d be willing to look at it. It’s basically the same price as the other one but it’s a Winchester. Description states that it went through an arsenal rebuild. Opinion on which one you’d like better? Someone else stated that if I was interested in it, maybe talk to them about a better price. Thank you for helping me out. Here’s the link to the Winchester. 
 

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-military/-quot-winchester-m1-carbine-30-caliber-w12350-consignment-quot-.cfm?gun_id=102698628
 

 

[Rhscott]

Both appear in about the same condition but in the given pix the Inland looks a bit nicer. With the Inland you have the most common made carbine and chances of finding Inland or “correct” parts is much higher if you go that direction.

That said Winchester usually gets a higher price due to the name, but so do all the associated parts.  The one thing I have a pet peeve for is buggered up screws and the one on that Winchester recoil plate jumps out at me.  Easy fix though.

Neither price is very attractive but again, it is what it is so that is for you to decide.  Have you tried any local or state level gun shows for in person deals?

[McSchlueter1944]

4 hours ago, Rhscott said:

Both appear in about the same condition but in the given pix the Inland looks a bit nicer. With the Inland you have the most common made carbine and chances of finding Inland or “correct” parts is much higher if you go that direction.

That said Winchester usually gets a higher price due to the name, but so do all the associated parts.  The one thing I have a pet peeve for is buggered up screws and the one on that Winchester recoil plate jumps out at me.  Easy fix though.

Neither price is very attractive but again, it is what it is so that is for you to decide.  Have you tried any local or state level gun shows for in person deals?

I’m not aware of a lot of gun shows in PA where I’m located. I’m leaning towards the inland. The parts on it seem to be correct according to the parts chart that’s listed. It seems to be an overall nice reworked carbine for Korea, just the price is a little high. I know it’s up to me but do you think I should go for it or look more? I’ve looked on most of the gun selling websites and that inland is somewhat the cheapest one. 

[Rhscott]

I purchased stuff and paid too much just because I really liked it, it was there and I had the $$.  Guess you can console yourself in the fact they don’t make them anymore and all existing ones in all shapes will continue to increase in value.  Better than other metals. 

If you go for it just consider your doing your part to help the economy. 

Good luck which ever way you go.  The Inland does look nicer to me too.

[McSchlueter1944]

41 minutes ago, Rhscott said:

I purchased stuff and paid too much just because I really liked it, it was there and I had the $$.  Guess you can console yourself in the fact they don’t make them anymore and all existing ones in all shapes will continue to increase in value.  Better than other metals. 

If you go for it just consider your doing your part to help the economy. 

Good luck which ever way you go.  The Inland does look nicer to me too.

They said they could lower the price of the inland to $1600 with shipping. 

[DogDoc]

The price on both seemed pretty high for what is most likely a post war rebuild but after a little looking that may be where they are now. If you’re not in a hurry though, better deals are out there. 
 

As far as which one to pick, Winchester if it’s a collector piece, Inland if a shooter. The reason is simple. A lot less Winchesters made and Inland made a very good rifle.  My first carbine was a post war Springfield Armory rebuilt Underwood. It is probably my favorite gun to shoot. 
 

 

[DogDoc]

For some reason I didn’t see that last post when I wrote my post. $1600 shipped is sounding a lot more reasonable. 
 

Good luck!

Jay

 

 

[McSchlueter1944]

18 minutes ago, DogDoc said:

For some reason I didn’t see that last post when I wrote my post. $1600 shipped is sounding a lot more reasonable. 
 

Good luck!

Jay

 

 

Thanks very much. Yeah I might go with the Inland cause i definitely wanna shoot it when it’s not hung up on my wall. Someone else on another thread said to ask about the muzzle measurement. I’m not too sure what that means but I asked the gun seller anyway. 

[Rhscott]

1 hour ago, McSchlueter1944 said:

Thanks very much. Yeah I might go with the Inland cause i definitely wanna shoot it when it’s not hung up on my wall. Someone else on another thread said to ask about the muzzle measurement. I’m not too sure what that means but I asked the gun seller anyway. 

Carbines and Garands were cleaned from the muzzle end and with careless cleaning you can ruin your muzzle crown (lands in the barrel).  The muzzle is the most important part of the barrel as it is the last part that the bullet touches as it exits.  A worn muzzle can generally not be as accurate as a tight one. 

[DogDoc]

2 hours ago, McSchlueter1944 said:

Thanks very much. Yeah I might go with the Inland cause i definitely wanna shoot it when it’s not hung up on my wall. Someone else on another thread said to ask about the muzzle measurement. I’m not too sure what that means but I asked the gun seller anyway. 

There’s a gauge that will measure muzzle wear.  That is the measurement they were referring to. Based on the bore description, hopefully the muzzle will match. 

[McSchlueter1944]

33 minutes ago, Rhscott said:

Carbines and Garands were cleaned from the muzzle end and with careless cleaning you can ruin your muzzle crown (lands in the barrel).  The muzzle is the most important part of the barrel as it is the last part that the bullet touches as it exits.  A worn muzzle can generally not be as accurate as a tight one. 

Ahh okay yeah that makes sense. If it’s worn the bullet obviously won’t function as properly. The description says the bore is mint but I’ll still ask for a picture. 

[McSchlueter1944]

13 minutes ago, DogDoc said:

There’s a gauge that will measure muzzle wear.  That is the measurement they were referring to. Based on the bore description, hopefully the muzzle will match. 

What should the “correct” measurement be with a bore that’s supposedly 94-95% good condition?. If there’s even a correct one. 

[DogDoc]

On a muzzle wear gauge a zero indicates “new” condition. A three is pretty well worn out. I wouldn’t recommend buying a shooter with a measurement over two. 1.5 or better would be the landmark I would shoot for. With the bore they are describing, hopefully it’s even lower. 

[McSchlueter1944]

18 minutes ago, DogDoc said:

On a muzzle wear gauge a zero indicates “new” condition. A three is pretty well worn out. I wouldn’t recommend buying a shooter with a measurement over two. 1.5 or better would be the landmark I would shoot for. With the bore they are describing, hopefully it’s even lower. 

Okay very helpful. Once they reply, if they don’t have a measurement gauge, can I send you the picture of the barrel on here? I know it’ll be really hard through a picture but idk. 

[Rhscott]

Yes.  At the right angle you can get a good idea of the muzzle condition from a pix as long as it is in focus. Thankfully the carbine always had non corrosive priming so the bores are usually nice…..unlike 1903s and M1s which can be plagued by rust pitting.

[McSchlueter1944]

On 9/4/2024 at 10:14 PM, DogDoc said:

There’s a gauge that will measure muzzle wear.  That is the measurement they were referring to. Based on the bore description, hopefully the muzzle will match. 

Hey I got the measurement today and the rating is a 2. You said 1.5 is better but will a 2 still be okay to shoot with? 

[DogDoc]

Definitely. Be careful though.  Not with this carbine per se, just carbines in general.  They are addictive. It’s a fun little gun to collect, learn about and shoot. 

[McSchlueter1944]

1 hour ago, DogDoc said:

Definitely. Be careful though.  Not with this carbine per se, just carbines in general.  They are addictive. It’s a fun little gun to collect, learn about and shoot. 

Okay cool. Yeah this is the only one I’ll be able to afford for a while 😅 thank you for all your help with this.