Ribbon Help Needed

[militbuff]

Does anyone know what the two circled ribbons are?  I’ve seen the left one before but I can’t recall its ID.  I’ve 

never seen the right one.  I was told he was in the MI NG before and during the war.
 

[militbuff]

I knew I had seen the left one before!  It’s the US Army & Navy Union ribbon.  Any ideas on the right ribbon?
 

 

[manayunkman]

What’s the black one with the stars?

[atb]

35 minutes ago, manayunkman said:

What’s the black one with the stars?

Possibly another state ribbon.

[bertmedals]

4 hours ago, militbuff said:

I knew I had seen the left one before!  It’s the US Army & Navy Union ribbon.  Any ideas on the right ribbon?
 

 

On the right -- looks like the ribbon for the American Field Service Medal.

[militbuff]

4 hours ago, atb said:

Possibly another state ribbon.

I think its a Michigan NG ribbon, maybe for longevity.

[militbuff]

6 minutes ago, bertmedals said:

On the right -- looks like the ribbon for the American Field Service Medal.

It does look like it but from what I was told, the vet was born in 1910 and wasn’t old enough for WWI.. 

[bertmedals]

13 minutes ago, militbuff said:

It does look like it but from what I was told, the vet was born in 1910 and wasn’t old enough for WWI.. 

The AFS ambulance service also operated in WW2.  First contingent of American volunteers sailed for France in March, 1940.

[Marshallj]

5 hours ago, manayunkman said:

What’s the black one with the stars?

MI Broadsword Service Medal Ribbon

[militbuff]

Looks like it’s a Post VJ service MI State Guard ribbon.

 

[KevinBeyer]

According to Greg Ogletree's Awards and Decorations of U.S. State Military Forces, the circled ribbon on the right is the Michigan Post-VJ Service Ribbon Style B.  The book says "this ribbon was issued for service in the State Troops subsequent to V-J Day, 14 Aug 1945."

 

[bertmedals]

19 minutes ago, KevinBeyer said:

According to Greg Ogletree's Awards and Decorations of U.S. State Military Forces, the circled ribbon on the right is the Michigan Post-VJ Service Ribbon Style B.  The book says "this ribbon was issued for service in the State Troops subsequent to V-J Day, 14 Aug 1945."

 

Thanks for posting that. It's excellent information that sheds light on multiple uses for that ribbon design.  I imagine there are probably other examples of different uses of the same ribbon that, when seen on ribbon bars can only be identified through context.

[KevinBeyer]

According to Ogletree, this ribbon is designated with his numbering system as R031.

Searching the OMSA Ribbon Bank database, these are the following awards that use the R31 ribbon:

USANG AL    State Guard 3 Year Service
USANG AZ    Service Ribbon
USANG CO    Soldier Of The Year
USANG ME    Commander's Award
USANG MI    State Guard Post-VJ Day Service Style B
USANG OK    Distinguished Service Medal
USANG TX    State Guard Provost Marshall Section Ribbon
USANG WA    ANG Defense Service Ribbon
USASCH-CACC    #17 Warren Marksmanship
 

USANG stands for United States of America National Guard.

USASCH stands for United States of America School

CACC stands for the California Cadet Corps

 

So, this ribbon has multiple uses, but in this case, since the soldier was from Michigan, that helped narrow down the identification.

 

[bertmedals]

7 hours ago, KevinBeyer said:

According to Ogletree, this ribbon is designated with his numbering system as R31.

Searching the OMSA Ribbon Bank database, these are the following awards that use the R31 ribbon:

USANG AL    State Guard 3 Year Service
USANG AZ    Service Ribbon
USANG CO    Soldier Of The Year
USANG ME    Commander's Award
USANG MI    State Guard Post-VJ Day Service Style B
USANG OK    Distinguished Service Medal
USANG TX    State Guard Provost Marshall Section Ribbon
USANG WA    ANG Defense Service Ribbon
USASCH-CACC    #17 Warren Marksmanship
 

USANG stands for United States of America National Guard.

USASCH stands for United States of America School

CACC stands for the California Cadet Corps

 

So, this ribbon has multiple uses, but in this case, since the soldier was from Michigan, that helped narrow down the identification.

 

Once again, that's another great post and useful information. I'm on the hunt for a copy of Ogletree's book!

Dennis

[KevinBeyer]

bertmedals,

 

I know for a fact that Greg Ogletree is right now at this very moment working on a revised edition of his book.  I think it is slated for publication in 2025.  I would hold off buying the first edition for now.  The new book should be light years ahead of the previous one.

 

 

[bertmedals]

8 hours ago, KevinBeyer said:

bertmedals,

 

I know for a fact that Greg Ogletree is right now at this very moment working on a revised edition of his book.  I think it is slated for publication in 2025.  I would hold off buying the first edition for now.  The new book should be light years ahead of the previous one.

 

 

Great to know and I appreciate the advice. You are a wealth of good information!