David B Posted March 29, 2007 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2007 Hi all, I was wondering if anyone knew the age of these wings?...I was thinking maybe Vietnam era? The wings are not sterling and are marked to the reverse either M-20 or N-20, the clutchbacks are brass and are marked BALLOU REG'D. The wing is quite thick and heavy. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pconrad02 Posted March 29, 2007 Share #2 Posted March 29, 2007 Dave, I can't find that maker number in my references, but my guess is Vietnam era Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David B Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted March 29, 2007 Dave, I can't find that maker number in my references, but my guess is Vietnam era Paul Thanks Paul! I couldn't find the number either Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtbrown Posted March 30, 2007 Share #4 Posted March 30, 2007 I'm far from an expert but, if I remember right, you can assume they are no earlier than Korea at best as the numbering of wings didn't start till the 1950's. Remember, however, the log of my being wrong is two inches thick and I am on Volume #4!! Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Magut Posted March 30, 2007 Share #5 Posted March 30, 2007 I found this reference to a clutch back fastening device for awards..it mentions Ballou's patent of 1951 for such fasteners: In the front surface of the securing device 3 there exist depressions or openings 8 for receiving heads of pointed fasteners or pins similar to thumb tacks 4, received by an anchor or clasp device generally designated by 6 which includes a pair of squeeze tabs 7 which are resilient in nature and which when squeezed together will form an opening for receiving pointed fastener 4 and which when released will frictionally grip same. This type of fastener is a known type in that it is the type illustrated and described in patent U.S. Pat. No. 2,551,196 to F. A. Ballou, Jr., issued May 01, 1951. Jeffrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David B Posted March 31, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted March 31, 2007 Very interesting, thanks Jeffrey! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 29, 2007 Share #7 Posted August 29, 2007 Interested in opinions as to when these wings were made. Thanks! ~Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laury Allison Posted August 29, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 29, 2007 Interested in opinions as to when these wings were made. Thanks! ~Tim Tim, I can see that is a NS Meyer hallmark, does it say 9M or 22M??? If it is 9M, I would guess 1950s and if 22M, then 1960s to 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 29, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 29, 2007 Tim, I can see that is a NS Meyer hallmark, does it say 9M or 22M??? If it is 9M, I would guess 1950s and if 22M, then 1960s to 1990s. Sorry, still new at this--where would the "9M' or "22M" be located? All I see is "N.S. Meyer Inc. New York" and the shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laury Allison Posted August 29, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 29, 2007 Sorry, still new at this--where would the "9M' or "22M" be located? All I see is "N.S. Meyer Inc. New York" and the shield. Meyer insignia usually had the hallmark within the shield itself. You may need to use a loop or a magnifying glass to read it clearly....it helps anyway. Laury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 29, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 29, 2007 Meyer insignia usually had the hallmark within the shield itself. You may need to use a loop or a magnifying glass to read it clearly....it helps anyway. Laury Ah--I'll take a look. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Cain Posted August 29, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 29, 2007 Based on the way the prongs are attached to the wing they are post 1950. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 29, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 29, 2007 Based on the way the prongs are attached to the wing they are post 1950.Gary Here is the hallmark--I still don't see any numbers. Are they supposed to be on the vertical part of the cross inside the shield, or somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pconrad02 Posted August 30, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 30, 2007 Early 50's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 30, 2007 Share #15 Posted August 30, 2007 Early 50's... Looks like 1950s is the consensus. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 31, 2007 Share #16 Posted August 31, 2007 Looks like 1950s is the consensus. Thanks guys. In thinking about it more, I have reason to believe that these are pre-1950. The wings came on this Japanese-occupation-era shirt: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...20&start=20 Which also bears the CBI patch. These would be pre-1950 indicators. Could you explain why you think they are 1950s or later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted August 31, 2007 Share #17 Posted August 31, 2007 There is a good discussion about the varieties of Meyer hallmarks on the WAF: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...highlight=meyer See the information provided by GLM in Post #6. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted August 31, 2007 Share #18 Posted August 31, 2007 There is a good discussion about the varieties of Meyer hallmarks on the WAF: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/sho...highlight=meyer See the information provided by GLM in Post #6. Dennis Thanks Dennis--that chart indicates that this mintmark was used in the late 1940s into the early 1950s. That would square with the origin of the shirt and the SSI on it. Thanks a lot for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted August 31, 2007 Share #19 Posted August 31, 2007 Nack, I just went back to look at the shirt in your other post. That's a nice shirt. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted September 4, 2007 Share #20 Posted September 4, 2007 Thanks Dennis--I thought it was a nice package--nice shirt with some nice wings. How can you go wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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