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Hi,

I have been looking for the earliest example of a USMC RIFLE EXPERT award (with crossed M1 Garand rifles).

 

Can someone please explain the codes on the five awards that I am looking at, I think the 'SER 395' is early 1960s but not sure of the 719 and 424 on the Meyers awards…..

 

  1. HH SER 395 STERLING
  2. STERLING 12C
  3. N.S.MEYER NEW YORK USMC 719 (in a shield)
  4. CEC2-9
  5. N.S.MEYER USMC 424 (in a shield)

 

Any help would be great, thanks, John

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On 10/11/2007 at 7:02 PM, hhbooker2 said:

Lieutenant Colonel William K. Emerson I believe did a book on marksmanship badges - he is the leading authority on such militaria. Major James M. McDuff and John A. Stacey are leaders in the field also! I have the Army of the United States issue which is like the USMC, but mine is all gold. I have Army Regulations for the late 1920s and early 1930s showing the Maltese Cross type like worn now, but knew soldiers who went off post and bought and wore the older style. Also have the USMC with and without the Eagle/Anchor/Globe centered on them too! May donate mine to the USMC Museum at Quantico, Virginia as I am long in tooth! think.gif

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One of those badges is wrong.

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On 4/12/2008 at 11:55 AM, robert60446 said:

Rifle Expert reverse

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I have the same badge except the ser. is #395 and it's sterling and has sterling clutches, i believe it's late W.W.2 to korean war era the one you have it's 1/20th silver it seems to be vietnam era which they would have used little amounts in silver

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aactionjim
On 4/19/2009 at 2:42 PM, Brig said:

here's an interesting piece off eBay. I didn't win it, but it's interesting none-the-less. Someone combined an early WWI era Marksman and Sharpshooter badge. Interesting piece

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Are you still looking for this?

Jim

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19 hours ago, aactionjim said:

Are you still looking for this?

Jim

No, I've since acquired one

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aactionjim
22 minutes ago, Brig said:

No, I've since acquired one

OK here is his name on ebay  wmcgaughey 

He has quite a few good badges and medals from time to time. Good guy to deal with. Here is the item number he had the badge listed under.#325022461377 

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digi-shots

Can someone help date these and also let me know if they are all USMC and not police dept etc.

 

The tip one looks like the older pre WWII style.  I’m not familiar with the 2 hallmarks.

 

Thanks!

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Basic Rifleman

The makers mark belongs to "Officer's Equipment Co, Madison, NJ. They made insignia during WWII, but these appear to have been made a little later by their CB pin design. Perhaps late 40's before the IOH marks were instituted. 

 

I think the badges are all good to go, although there does seem to be a bit of crossover in who wore these. I also recall there being some discussion about a distinction in how many rings were on the target. Four for the Marine Corps, three for the Army? Maybe someone who knows better can chime in on this....

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digi-shots

Rifleman… thanks.  I was looking for a WWII type for a Rifle marksman.

 

What about this medal here.. there is no hanging bar to denote what weapon its for. 

Does the wreath mean “expert” ?

 

Also, can you decipher the qualification listing here?   I can make out hand grenade, bayonet and the last line carbine.. but mot the second or third one.  Thanks

 

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Basic Rifleman

This badge is the USMC "Basic" badge. It was used to show additional qualifications, whereas the standard Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert badges were used solely for rifle and pistol qualifications. The wreath is just part of the design, although it does look similar to the Army expert badge, which does use the same style, minus the EGA of course. 

 

I'm not 100% certain, but the 2nd qualification line appears to be for the "T.S.M.G" qualification for Thompson Sub Machine Gun. I can't make out the 3rd line at all. The 2nd and 3rd line appear to have a "fail" stamp next to them though? 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, BEAT_NAVY said:

Sharpshooter not marksman.

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digi-shots
5 hours ago, Basic Rifleman said:

This badge is the USMC "Basic" badge. It was used to show additional qualifications, whereas the standard Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert badges were used solely for rifle and pistol qualifications. The wreath is just part of the design, although it does look similar to the Army expert badge, which does use the same style, minus the EGA of course. 

 

I'm not 100% certain, but the 2nd qualification line appears to be for the "T.S.M.G" qualification for Thompson Sub Machine Gun. I can't make out the 3rd line at all. The 2nd and 3rd line appear to have a "fail" stamp next to them though? 

 

 

 

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digi-shots

At first I thought it was FAIL also… but looking at the last one “Familiar”… maybe the other two that look like FAIL is actually FAM meaning familiar???  I don’t thin this section was for qualification but more for training.. making sure the Marine was familiar with various weapons?  How would you possibly pass or fail with “hand grenade”?

 

Ot does look like he was “unqualified” for bayonet

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BEAT_NAVY

Same difference it just says sharpshooter instead of marksman

3 hours ago, Basic Rifleman said:

?

 

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Basic Rifleman
1 minute ago, BEAT_NAVY said:

Same difference it just says sharpshooter instead of marksman

I'm still legitimately having a hard time figuring out what point you're trying to convey as it relates to the topic by adding a picture of a sharpshooter badge. 

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Cobra 6 Actual
44 minutes ago, digi-shots said:

At first I thought it was FAIL also… but looking at the last one “Familiar”… maybe the other two that look like FAIL is actually FAM meaning familiar???  I don’t thin this section was for qualification but more for training.. making sure the Marine was familiar with various weapons?  How would you possibly pass or fail with “hand grenade”?

 

Ot does look like he was “unqualified” for bayonet


Perhaps “Familiarization”?

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SgtMaddoxUSMC

Digi- third line might be "USMC Carbine"?

Bill- great badges!  Love the ER and MM-A combo!  If you ever decide to part with them someday.... you know who to call! :P 
 

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Basic Rifleman
27 minutes ago, Cobra 6 Actual said:

Perhaps “Familiarization”?

That makes much more sense! 100% it's the abbreviation for Familiarization Fire. "Fam Fire" is something I heard approximately 45874896573 times at SOI / Camp Lejeune. Can't believe I didn't make the instant connection. My brain washing must be wearing off:)

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Basic Rifleman
On 3/27/2022 at 7:50 PM, digi-shots said:

Also, can you decipher the qualification listing here?   I can make out hand grenade, bayonet and the last line carbine.. but mot the second or third one.  Thanks

Hoping this one gets put to bed before I have to go to bed.... The remaining available options for qualifications during that period are as follows: "Rifle, Small Bore, Pistol, Auto Rifle, Machine Gun, and Howitzer". I think being this training was conducted at Parris Island we can maybe rule out howitzer (unless they used dummy rounds for fam fire).

Line 1. Hand Grenade, 2. T.S.M.G. (Thompson Sub Machine gun), 3. (   ???   ), 4. Bayonet, 5. Carbine

 

 

One thing we can be sure of, by 1944 those rubber stamps had seen better days:))))

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Flightpath

I have a couple of these unofficial small pistol sharpshooter awards and finally found a photo of a WW2 marine with one, you can see how small these are when you compare it to the rifle marksman award bar above it.......

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