hirsca Posted December 24, 2015 Share #251 Posted December 24, 2015 I would also venture to say that the rifle badge is around the mid 40's as it appears to be the cheap cast style. Perhaps Tim Brig can let us know what he thinks, he is quite knowledgeable when it comes to these. Actually, the crossed Krag rifles are not cast, they are stamped from sheet metal and do not have a flat back. The Expert Rifleman bar is solid with a flat back. Thanks, Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMaddoxUSMC Posted May 20, 2017 Share #252 Posted May 20, 2017 Been awhile since anyone's been here so I figured I'd drop by and leave this piece I acquired a while back! Found an image of the Marine in an the August 1919 issue of Recruiter's Bulletin - possibly he wearing the badge in the photo? Here is Colonel John J. Dooley's 1915 BB&B crossed revolvers pistol expert badge. Note: I am unsure why he is depicted as a Major in 1919 but was a Col in 1915. Perhaps he was demoted or the Recruiter's Bulletin just got his rank wrong (which I have seen several other times in that publication). Another photo of Dooley from the Jan 1918 issue of Recruiter's Bulletin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightpath Posted June 15, 2017 Share #253 Posted June 15, 2017 Hi, maybe I'm a bit late in showing this beauty but just had too....... if it was purchased by someone here and already discussed then just stare at it like I did/do........ Sold on Ebay some weeks ago for under $50! It has the safety pin style catch and a fairly common 1903 rifle type that is said to be used right up to and into WW2......... no wonder it's hard to date these! This is a perfect example of what to use in the reference section, with the date and maker on the box! cheers, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMaddoxUSMC Posted June 15, 2017 Share #254 Posted June 15, 2017 Nice looking badge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightpath Posted June 18, 2017 Share #255 Posted June 18, 2017 Hi, I'd like to know where the diagram originated from and how accurate it is, just for interest sake... I have used it as a guide but keep thinking to myself "I thought this/that would have been older than that" when checking wings and other badges....... cheers, John This is borrowed from another thread (I cannot remember which one) but according to it, the pistol badge is from around the late 40's.meyer.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted June 27, 2017 Share #256 Posted June 27, 2017 This 5-Bar USMC Basic badge turned up at the Chickasha, OK show this weekend. Unusual to find one like this w/ five Qual bars for Small Bore; Hand Grenade; Carbine; Auto Rifle and Machine Gun. Each piece is hall-marked with the H&H Star logo and sterling. I date it to late 1940s. Semper fi.......Bobgee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Posted June 28, 2017 Share #257 Posted June 28, 2017 Bob nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted June 28, 2017 Share #258 Posted June 28, 2017 Thanks, Dirk. Looks a lot better in hand than my scanner pics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMcollector Posted December 15, 2017 Share #259 Posted December 15, 2017 This is the earliest example I have ever had in my possession. 1903? USMC Expert Rifleman Badge with Krag rifles Riveted, open "C" wire catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flightpath Posted January 5, 2019 Share #260 Posted January 5, 2019 Hi, I have been looking for the earliest example of a USMC RIFLE EXPERT award (with crossed M1 Garand rifles). Can someone please explain the codes on the five awards that I am looking at, I think the 'SER 395' is early 1960s but not sure of the 719 and 424 on the Meyers awards….. HH SER 395 STERLING STERLING 12C N.S.MEYER NEW YORK USMC 719 (in a shield) CEC2-9 N.S.MEYER USMC 424 (in a shield) Any help would be great, thanks, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aactionjim Posted September 25, 2021 Share #261 Posted September 25, 2021 On 10/11/2007 at 7:02 PM, hhbooker2 said: Lieutenant Colonel William K. Emerson I believe did a book on marksmanship badges - he is the leading authority on such militaria. Major James M. McDuff and John A. Stacey are leaders in the field also! I have the Army of the United States issue which is like the USMC, but mine is all gold. I have Army Regulations for the late 1920s and early 1930s showing the Maltese Cross type like worn now, but knew soldiers who went off post and bought and wore the older style. Also have the USMC with and without the Eagle/Anchor/Globe centered on them too! May donate mine to the USMC Museum at Quantico, Virginia as I am long in tooth! One of those badges is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMaddoxUSMC Posted September 25, 2021 Share #262 Posted September 25, 2021 Great reference Jim! Which one of the badges is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldnol Posted September 25, 2021 Share #263 Posted September 25, 2021 On 4/12/2008 at 11:55 AM, robert60446 said: Rifle Expert reverse I have the same badge except the ser. is #395 and it's sterling and has sterling clutches, i believe it's late W.W.2 to korean war era the one you have it's 1/20th silver it seems to be vietnam era which they would have used little amounts in silver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aactionjim Posted February 9, 2022 Share #264 Posted February 9, 2022 On 4/19/2009 at 2:42 PM, Brig said: here's an interesting piece off eBay. I didn't win it, but it's interesting none-the-less. Someone combined an early WWI era Marksman and Sharpshooter badge. Interesting piece Are you still looking for this? Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share #265 Posted February 10, 2022 19 hours ago, aactionjim said: Are you still looking for this? Jim No, I've since acquired one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aactionjim Posted February 10, 2022 Share #266 Posted February 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Brig said: No, I've since acquired one OK here is his name on ebay wmcgaughey He has quite a few good badges and medals from time to time. Good guy to deal with. Here is the item number he had the badge listed under.#325022461377 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi-shots Posted March 27, 2022 Share #267 Posted March 27, 2022 Can someone help date these and also let me know if they are all USMC and not police dept etc. The tip one looks like the older pre WWII style. I’m not familiar with the 2 hallmarks. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic Rifleman Posted March 27, 2022 Share #268 Posted March 27, 2022 The makers mark belongs to "Officer's Equipment Co, Madison, NJ. They made insignia during WWII, but these appear to have been made a little later by their CB pin design. Perhaps late 40's before the IOH marks were instituted. I think the badges are all good to go, although there does seem to be a bit of crossover in who wore these. I also recall there being some discussion about a distinction in how many rings were on the target. Four for the Marine Corps, three for the Army? Maybe someone who knows better can chime in on this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi-shots Posted March 27, 2022 Share #269 Posted March 27, 2022 Rifleman… thanks. I was looking for a WWII type for a Rifle marksman. What about this medal here.. there is no hanging bar to denote what weapon its for. Does the wreath mean “expert” ? Also, can you decipher the qualification listing here? I can make out hand grenade, bayonet and the last line carbine.. but mot the second or third one. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic Rifleman Posted March 29, 2022 Share #270 Posted March 29, 2022 This badge is the USMC "Basic" badge. It was used to show additional qualifications, whereas the standard Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert badges were used solely for rifle and pistol qualifications. The wreath is just part of the design, although it does look similar to the Army expert badge, which does use the same style, minus the EGA of course. I'm not 100% certain, but the 2nd qualification line appears to be for the "T.S.M.G" qualification for Thompson Sub Machine Gun. I can't make out the 3rd line at all. The 2nd and 3rd line appear to have a "fail" stamp next to them though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAT_NAVY Posted March 29, 2022 Share #271 Posted March 29, 2022 Sharpshooter not marksman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic Rifleman Posted March 29, 2022 Share #272 Posted March 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, BEAT_NAVY said: Sharpshooter not marksman. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi-shots Posted March 29, 2022 Share #273 Posted March 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Basic Rifleman said: This badge is the USMC "Basic" badge. It was used to show additional qualifications, whereas the standard Marksman, Sharpshooter, and Expert badges were used solely for rifle and pistol qualifications. The wreath is just part of the design, although it does look similar to the Army expert badge, which does use the same style, minus the EGA of course. I'm not 100% certain, but the 2nd qualification line appears to be for the "T.S.M.G" qualification for Thompson Sub Machine Gun. I can't make out the 3rd line at all. The 2nd and 3rd line appear to have a "fail" stamp next to them though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digi-shots Posted March 29, 2022 Share #274 Posted March 29, 2022 At first I thought it was FAIL also… but looking at the last one “Familiar”… maybe the other two that look like FAIL is actually FAM meaning familiar??? I don’t thin this section was for qualification but more for training.. making sure the Marine was familiar with various weapons? How would you possibly pass or fail with “hand grenade”? Ot does look like he was “unqualified” for bayonet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAT_NAVY Posted March 29, 2022 Share #275 Posted March 29, 2022 Same difference it just says sharpshooter instead of marksman 3 hours ago, Basic Rifleman said: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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