JDR Posted December 4, 2023 #1 Posted December 4, 2023 Greetings, Several days ago I had this coat arrive in the mail, finally got around to throwing it on a mannequin for photos. Made me want to start this thread so more people can share what they have from this scarce division! I will start with my coat. From the limited photographic evidence I have found online of the World War One-era 10th Division patch, the majority of examples are blue in background with the circle and "X" constructed with yellow fabric. Mine however consists of a blue background with the insignia made out of fine metallic thread: Special thanks to @greek5bc for the purchase. Please feel free to add new comments, I am somewhat unfamiliar with the exploits of the 10th during WWI other than that they only existed for a very short period out in Kansas under the command of General Leonard Wood. Always looking to learn more! Best Regards, -J.D.
CW4AFB Posted December 26, 2023 #2 Posted December 26, 2023 If you get the chance, check this book out. It has information on the 10th Division and the other divisions that did not make it to France before the Armistice
JDR Posted December 26, 2023 Author #3 Posted December 26, 2023 10 hours ago, CW4AFB said: If you get the chance, check this book out. It has information on the 10th Division and the other divisions that did not make it to France before the Armistice CW4AFB, Thanks for sharing that, I will make sure to pick up a copy of it! Best Regards, -J.D.
CW4AFB Posted December 26, 2023 #4 Posted December 26, 2023 And J.D. here is my 10th Division uniform...best regards,
atb Posted December 26, 2023 #5 Posted December 26, 2023 Two nice uniforms. I have an affinity for the Regular Army divisions that organized too late to deploy overseas. I have uniforms from the 13th, 14th, and 20th Divisions. Two have SSI and are identified to the soldiers who wore them.
CW4AFB Posted December 26, 2023 #6 Posted December 26, 2023 ATB - I'm with you---I really like them because they are truly rare even compared to the 322nd Infantry/North Russia/Siberian/USMC/Armored units which draw the most attention. I like getting the photos also like this one which shows a soldier with the collar disk for the 2nd Infantry Regiment/19th Division. I'm jealous that you got a 20th Division uniform---those are really hard to find. s/f
atb Posted December 27, 2023 #7 Posted December 27, 2023 Here's the 13th (44th Inf), 14th (10th Inf), and the 20th (89th Inf) Division coats. No SSI on the 20th. I don't think I've seen a 20th Division SSI I was totally convinced was worn. I also have a Squad Surplus Bag nicely marked to a 14th Division unit. I had a 19th Division uniform with SSI, but used it in a trade a few years ago.
Lind007 Posted December 27, 2023 #8 Posted December 27, 2023 Very nice! Thank you for sharing I’ve Always liked the 13th patch. Here’s another example.
kfields Posted December 27, 2023 #9 Posted December 27, 2023 For these stateside patched uniforms, why would they have an overseas service chevron on the lower left sleeve?
atb Posted December 27, 2023 #10 Posted December 27, 2023 Those are silver-colored Zone of the Interior (Continental US) Service Chevrons as opposed to the gold-colored Overseas Service Chevrons. At some point after the war, their use and wear was discontinued. There was also a blue less-than-six-months Overseas Service Service Chevron.
JDR Posted December 27, 2023 Author #11 Posted December 27, 2023 21 hours ago, CW4AFB said: And J.D. here is my 10th Division uniform...best regards, Gorgeous coat! I thought I recognized your example and the photographs you provided from the article you wrote on stateside coats. This genre of AEF collecting is fairly new to me due in no part to the popularity of outfits that deployed to Europe. A good 13th Div is next on my stateside list; I live in the PNW so Fort Lewis is always a topic of discussion. Best Regards, -J.D.
atb Posted December 27, 2023 #12 Posted December 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, UnteroffizierFSAR9 said: Gorgeous coat! I thought I recognized your example and the photographs you provided from the article you wrote on stateside coats. This genre of AEF collecting is fairly new to me due in no part to the popularity of outfits that deployed to Europe. A good 13th Div is next on my stateside list; I live in the PNW so Fort Lewis is always a topic of discussion. Best Regards, -J.D. Where's the article? On this forum?
CW4AFB Posted December 27, 2023 #13 Posted December 27, 2023 12 hours ago, Lind007 said: Very nice! Thank you for sharing I’ve Always liked the 13th patch. Here’s another example. This the best 13th Div patch I've ever seen...very cool.
CW4AFB Posted December 27, 2023 #14 Posted December 27, 2023 And don't forget, there were some high-numbered divisions also who did not deploy before the Armistice--for example, here's the Honorable Discharge for PFC Domingo Paradis assigned to the 374th Infantry Regiment/94th Division at Camp Las Casas, Puerto Rico. The 94th was originally planned to be comprised of drafted men from Puerto Rico. S/F
atb Posted December 27, 2023 #15 Posted December 27, 2023 Yes, those are the National Army divisions. The Dalessandro and Knapp book on WW1 SSI and AEF organizations is also a good resource.
CW4AFB Posted December 27, 2023 #16 Posted December 27, 2023 Here's one that has escaped my attempts to confirm it as the 16th Division which was formed at Camp Kearny. Maybe someone here has some insight. The 16th Division was built around a cadre of Regular Army soldiers and from two Regular Army infantry regiments; the 21st and the 32nd. These three soldiers are from Company “H” of the 32nd Infantry Regiment and were stationed in Hawaii prior to moving to Camp Kearny. The soldiers on the left and center are wearing what appears to be a 1909 version olive drab wool coat with the standing and falling collars with sewn grommet holes for two disks on each side and rimless buttons.
JDR Posted December 27, 2023 Author #17 Posted December 27, 2023 4 hours ago, atb said: Where's the article? On this forum? ATB, Here you go! I ran across this online not too long after I bought the 10th Div patch: https://www.militarytrader.com/militaria-collectibles/theres-more-to-wwi-collecting Best Regards, -J.D.
dan Posted December 27, 2023 #18 Posted December 27, 2023 Where do we find a copy of US Army Depot Brigades in World War 1?
CW4AFB Posted December 27, 2023 #19 Posted December 27, 2023 1 hour ago, dan said: Where do we find a copy of US Army Depot Brigades in World War 1? Either on Amazon or directly from McFarland Publishing. S/F
Lind007 Posted December 28, 2023 #21 Posted December 28, 2023 Here’s one more stateside. This group belongs to a 9th division guy. Notice the 9th div patch is very similar to the 12th.
Lind007 Posted December 28, 2023 #22 Posted December 28, 2023 On 12/27/2023 at 11:39 AM, CW4AFB said: This the best 13th Div patch I've ever seen...very cool. Appreciate the kind words. I bought the greatcoat from a friend because of the patch. I’m not into unidentified items but this was one that I couldn’t pass up. Here’s a picture of the complete coat.
CW4AFB Posted December 29, 2023 #23 Posted December 29, 2023 23 hours ago, Lind007 said: Here’s one more stateside. This group belongs to a 9th division guy. Notice the 9th div patch is very similar to the 12th. That truly is a great group---my patched 9th Division uniform is from the 67th Infantry Regiment which trained at Camp Sheridan, Alabama. I also have an unpatched service coat from an Ohio guy in the 46th Infantry Regiment--those guys trained all over the South.
Lind007 Posted December 30, 2023 #24 Posted December 30, 2023 19 hours ago, CW4AFB said: That truly is a great group---my patched 9th Division uniform is from the 67th Infantry Regiment which trained at Camp Sheridan, Alabama. I also have an unpatched service coat from an Ohio guy in the 46th Infantry Regiment--those guys trained all over the South. Very nice! 9th stuff does not pop up often. Thank you for sharing.
JDR Posted January 13 Author #25 Posted January 13 Greetings! Figure I’d throw these here. Swung by the Camp Dodge IA museum yesterday and because of the weather I was the only visitor they had all day. They were kind enough to bring me back into their archives where I came across this coat rack: Not everyday you see 19th Div SSI! I was also unaware up until yesterday that Gen. Omar Bradley was with the 19th at Camp Dodge. Best Regards, -J.D.
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