hink441 Posted March 26, 2023 #1 Posted March 26, 2023 Found this wing at a flea market and I can’t discern what is engraved on the wing. Any ideas on this wing? the back has two screw back fasteners. I can’t find any maker marks. Thank you Chris
manayunkman Posted March 27, 2023 #2 Posted March 27, 2023 That’s a beautiful wing, looks like a name engraved on it.
hink441 Posted March 27, 2023 Author #3 Posted March 27, 2023 Thank you. I initially thought it said “ Hamilton” but I’m not sure now.
hink441 Posted March 27, 2023 Author #6 Posted March 27, 2023 I still can’t decipher the cursive engraving. Here is another picture.
manayunkman Posted March 27, 2023 #7 Posted March 27, 2023 Is it Handlois? What letters are you having trouble with ? Its that last one that troubles me. Handlon
manayunkman Posted March 27, 2023 #9 Posted March 27, 2023 The trouble with Handlon is that the last letter only looks like the first half of an N but the second half does not conform to the first N. Compare the Ns and perhaps a better picture of the last letter.
hink441 Posted March 27, 2023 Author #10 Posted March 27, 2023 I can see “Handlon” after your posts. So is this an Instructor’s wing or is Handlon a name or a company??? Thank you for the help!! Chris
pfrost Posted March 27, 2023 #11 Posted March 27, 2023 Some civilian flight schools used similar base wings for their civilian flight instructors. But these wings were NOT LIMITED to flight instructor's wings. I believe this pattern was made by LGB (amongst others) and could be ordered from the company with any number of variations. They could include company name, sweetheart type attachments, could be used for airlines companies, flight schools, bus/trucking lines, private pilots, aviation suppliers, commercial airlines, etc. They were sold through WWII and well into modern day. Could be almost anything from a personalized hat badge to an aviation related wing. Its very neat, but I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it is a civliian pilot instructor wing from WWII just yet. There is nothing that
dmar836 Posted March 28, 2023 #12 Posted March 28, 2023 The large screw posts alone bring up questions as to how/where they would be mounted. Dave
Noelle Posted March 28, 2023 #13 Posted March 28, 2023 This is not a well-done engraving. If those are an A and a D, then the stems are disconnected without reason. If that's an N, it's weird since the stroke for the right side slants from right diagonally down to the left. I used to do calligraphy, and understand needing to pull the instrument toward you to keep from digging it into the object, but this is just bad. But Handlon is the only thing that would make sense. The L has a loop. So that stem to the left has to be part of the O to the left, making it a D. I wonder who on earth decided to disconnect stems and not pull N's straight down, unless those are R's. Hardlor?
5thwingmarty Posted March 28, 2023 #14 Posted March 28, 2023 I have always found old cursive writing to be a challenge to decipher. In this one I am not convinced the first letter isn't a capital F followed by either a capitol C or L.
hink441 Posted March 28, 2023 Author #15 Posted March 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, 5thwingmarty said: I have always found old cursive writing to be a challenge to decipher. In this one I am not convinced the first letter isn't a capital F followed by either a capitol C or L. Here is a close-up of the first letter.
LuftStalg1 Posted March 28, 2023 #18 Posted March 28, 2023 Doing research on Hans U Rudel and remember something about Handlor (sp?) but do not remember anything about it. I can not think of any connection though.
hink441 Posted March 29, 2023 Author #19 Posted March 29, 2023 12 hours ago, LuftStalg1 said: Doing research on Hans U Rudel and remember something about Handlor (sp?) but do not remember anything about it. I can not think of any connection though. Do you think this might be German related? Chris
LuftStalg1 Posted March 29, 2023 #20 Posted March 29, 2023 2 hours ago, hink441 said: Do you think this might be German related? Chris Honestly Chris I really have no clue. I mean I don't think it looks German made but then I don't have any experience with German sweetheart jewelry. And it could be just that, someone's nickname. I would do some searching in German to see if I could find anything. Often I use Google translator to do searches in foreign language to get new results. You would be surprised at what you can find in other languages that will not show up in English searches. Could be a lot of translating back and forth but when your desperate it can lead to new paths you may not otherwise find. My gut says it is someone's (German) name / nickname which would be the most obvious answer and make the most sense. I would speculate they were of German descent which was not unheard of in our history of citizens going to war in the 20th century. Sorry I don't have anything more.
manayunkman Posted March 29, 2023 #21 Posted March 29, 2023 The Germans didn’t make anything like this plus Pfrost ID’d It as an LGB piece. Handlor could be a German name but that doesn’t mean this is German. I have a Dutch name but I’m an American.
hink441 Posted March 29, 2023 Author #22 Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, manayunkman said: The Germans didn’t make anything like this. Handlor could be a German name but that doesn’t mean this is German. I have a Dutch name but I’m an American. Yes I agree this is most likely an American made wing. I was trying to determine if it was a German name on the wing. I should have been more detailed in my question. Chris
LuftStalg1 Posted March 29, 2023 #23 Posted March 29, 2023 48 minutes ago, manayunkman said: The Germans didn’t make anything like this plus Pfrost ID’d It as an LGB piece. Handlor could be a German name but that doesn’t mean this is German. I have a Dutch name but I’m an American. "My gut says it is someone's (German) name / nickname which would be the most obvious answer"
manayunkman Posted March 29, 2023 #24 Posted March 29, 2023 It’s unusual to see a last name engraved could this be a first name. As Dave mentioned earlier what would this wing attach to? It looks like a sweetheart piece but the fastening system is not seen on sweetheart jewelry. Could it be an instructors wing that was customized to be given away? And who’s name is on it, the giver or the receiver?
pfrost Posted March 30, 2023 #25 Posted March 30, 2023 If I had to venture a guess, it was a private purchase piece for someone who was a private pilot to wear on something like a flying jacket. The screw backs are often seen on hat badges, but there is no way of knowing if it was actually a hat badge, as they would have been interchangeable. It could have also been something worn by a taxi or truck driver as well. More than a few trucking/taxi/limo/delivery companies used wings in their logo that had nothing to do with aviation. All in all, I lean towards it being a private purchase wing for someone who was a private pilot. I played around a little bit on Ancestry with various names. It looks pretty clear to me that it starts Houredson or Houredlon or Houredfon.. and all other variations of that theme. Nothing showed up that seemed to be a match very well as a surname. Nor did anything show up as a company name. You may never know.
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