Cobra 6 Actual Posted April 30, 2021 Share #2026 Posted April 30, 2021 Your’s is actually ‘centered’ nicer, rd12; with the front sight post and the top of the carrying handle flush with the top of the rectangle. Here’s the M-1 version:I’m still ‘on the prowl’ for an M-14 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted April 30, 2021 Share #2027 Posted April 30, 2021 I’ve seen an M1 carbine version but it was a modern badge. Never seen an M-14 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted April 30, 2021 Share #2028 Posted April 30, 2021 Here’s the pic. I don’t know if this has been posted before. The carbine looks stamped or maybe cast. The CIB is Vietnam era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted April 30, 2021 Share #2029 Posted April 30, 2021 Yep, rd12, it’s included on the Unauthorized CIB Thread. It was actually made with an M-1 Carbine pewter pin (I happened to notice it one day while browsing eBay). Actually, what surprises me most is that there is not a UA one yet with the M-4 replacing the 1795 Springfield musket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted May 1, 2021 Share #2030 Posted May 1, 2021 Okay, went through 82 pages of this thread and I think I have one not shown. The background is enameled and looks like a 3rd division patch. Has anyone else seen one like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted May 1, 2021 Share #2031 Posted May 1, 2021 Okay, went through 82 pages of this thread and I think I have one not shown. The background is enameled and looks like a 3rd division patch. Has anyone else seen one like this? Never saw that one before. Very unusual, 3rd div is a good startSent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted May 1, 2021 Share #2032 Posted May 1, 2021 New one to me! Looks to be a Williams and Anderson, Vietnam era CIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted May 2, 2021 Share #2033 Posted May 2, 2021 2 hours ago, rd12 said: New one to me! Looks to be a Williams and Anderson, Vietnam era CIB. You can see it next month if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted May 8, 2021 Share #2034 Posted May 8, 2021 On 6/26/2013 at 9:08 PM, patches said: Here;s one that was posted in an E-Bay link recently, I thought I might save the images and add it here, a direct embroidered CIB above custom ribbons on a 80th Inf Div officers OD wool shirt, all early German made I suppose. Here's three more images I found, of it, as we now see the ribbons are directly embroidered as well, when we first posted the two shots we thought the ribbons, while embroidered, were sewn on as one patch as it were, a triple, embroidered on say card or some other stiff medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItemCo16527 Posted June 1, 2021 Share #2035 Posted June 1, 2021 While perusing GoA Omar Bradley's service record from the NARA, I discovered proof of him being awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge. I'd seen a couple of pictures of him wearing the CIB, but never thought it was officially authorized. I learned something new today. I'm posting just a couple of the mentions of the CIB in his record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 2, 2021 Share #2036 Posted June 2, 2021 4 hours ago, ItemCo16527 said: While perusing GoA Omar Bradley's service record from the NARA, I discovered proof of him being awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge. I'd seen a couple of pictures of him wearing the CIB, but never thought it was officially authorized. I learned something new today. I'm posting just a couple of the mentions of the CIB in his record. Thanks for this Item, Here's a great topic, Brads mentioned too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 3, 2021 Share #2037 Posted June 3, 2021 On 6/1/2021 at 4:10 PM, ItemCo16527 said: While perusing GoA Omar Bradley's service record from the NARA, I discovered proof of him being awarded the Combat Infantryman Badge. I'd seen a couple of pictures of him wearing the CIB, but never thought it was officially authorized. I learned something new today. I'm posting just a couple of the mentions of the CIB in his record. That's great information to confirm that the CIB was officially awarded to Bradley. It also perfectly illustrates how misunderstood the initial regulations for the CIB were and why there were so many amendments and modifications to the regulations during World War II. Orders are orders, but there really is no scenario by which anyone could have reasonably read the regulations and concluded that Bradley was one of the class who was intended to receive the CIB. As a general officer throughout World War II, he was never assigned to the Infantry branch at any time when the CIB was authorized. In fact, to the extent that he participated in any ground combat at all in World War II, the lowest level at which that occurred was when he commanded II Corps in North Africa. Under the same criteria, virtually every infantry and airborne division commander should have earned the CIB during World War II, but we know they didn’t. Later changes to the regs published in May 1944 clarified that award of the CIB was restricted to officers, warrant officers and enlisted men assigned to infantry regiments and lower. Based on the clarification issued just one month after these orders, it is clear that Bradley did not qualify for the CIB. Yet the orders stand on their own. What I find most interesting is that despite the fact Bradley clearly had orders establishing his eligibility to wear the CIB, the only photos you will find of him wearing the badge are from around 1980, right before his death. I’m pretty sure that he knew better than wear the badge during his active career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 3, 2021 Share #2038 Posted June 3, 2021 I believe both of these were taken in 1980 and 1981. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted June 4, 2021 Share #2039 Posted June 4, 2021 12 hours ago, seanmc1114 said: That's great information to confirm that the CIB was officially awarded to Bradley. It also perfectly illustrates how misunderstood the initial regulations for the CIB were and why there were so many amendments and modifications to the regulations during World War II. Orders are orders, but there really is no scenario by which anyone could have reasonably read the regulations and concluded that Bradley was one of the class who was intended to receive the CIB. As a general officer throughout World War II, he was never assigned to the Infantry branch at any time when the CIB was authorized. In fact, to the extent that he participated in any ground combat at all in World War II, the lowest level at which that occurred was when he commanded II Corps in North Africa. Under the same criteria, virtually every infantry and airborne division commander should have earned the CIB during World War II, but we know they didn’t. Later changes to the regs published in May 1944 clarified that award of the CIB was restricted to officers, warrant officers and enlisted men assigned to infantry regiments and lower. Based on the clarification issued just one month after these orders, it is clear that Bradley did not qualify for the CIB. Yet the orders stand on their own. What I find most interesting is that despite the fact Bradley clearly had orders establishing his eligibility to wear the CIB, the only photos you will find of him wearing the badge are from around 1980, right before his death. I’m pretty sure that he knew better than wear the badge during his active career. Very well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItemCo16527 Posted June 10, 2021 Share #2040 Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/3/2021 at 8:46 AM, seanmc1114 said: That's great information to confirm that the CIB was officially awarded to Bradley. It also perfectly illustrates how misunderstood the initial regulations for the CIB were and why there were so many amendments and modifications to the regulations during World War II. Orders are orders, but there really is no scenario by which anyone could have reasonably read the regulations and concluded that Bradley was one of the class who was intended to receive the CIB. As a general officer throughout World War II, he was never assigned to the Infantry branch at any time when the CIB was authorized. In fact, to the extent that he participated in any ground combat at all in World War II, the lowest level at which that occurred was when he commanded II Corps in North Africa. Under the same criteria, virtually every infantry and airborne division commander should have earned the CIB during World War II, but we know they didn’t. Later changes to the regs published in May 1944 clarified that award of the CIB was restricted to officers, warrant officers and enlisted men assigned to infantry regiments and lower. Based on the clarification issued just one month after these orders, it is clear that Bradley did not qualify for the CIB. Yet the orders stand on their own. What I find most interesting is that despite the fact Bradley clearly had orders establishing his eligibility to wear the CIB, the only photos you will find of him wearing the badge are from around 1980, right before his death. I’m pretty sure that he knew better than wear the badge during his active career. Thanks for your post, Sean. Absolutely spot on. And you're right about his wearing the CIB, I haven't seen any photos of him wearing one until very late in his life, and long after he left active duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted July 8, 2021 Share #2041 Posted July 8, 2021 Wear of Army CIB on USAF and CAP uniforms: There’s been plenty of earlier discussion on this Forum about the wear of CIB’s on USAF uniforms, particularly by those who initially served in the Army and then transitioned over to the newly created US Air Force in 1947. In addition, those who earned a CIB, separated from the Army, and later re-enlisted in the USAF are authorized to wear it. However, I didn’t realize that Civil Air Patrol personnel who had earned the CIB during earlier Army service were also authorized to wear it. According to CAP Regulations, CAPR 39-1, dated 5 March 2020, Chapter 10, Badges and Speciality Insignia: 10.10.1. US Military Badges. 10.10.1.1. US Military badges may be worn on USAF-style uniforms in accordance with authorizations and instructions found in AFI 36-2903 when appropriate orders granted by competent military authority are present in the member’s CAP personnel record. So, going to the Air Force regulations, AFI36-2903, 7 February 2020, Section 9.5. Qualification and Miscellaneous Badges and Patches: Wear of other services' qualification badges, if earned and awarded, is authorized. Applicable services’ badge color(s) will remain intact as not to lose its’ distinction as being awarded from another service. Award criteria for other services’ qualification badges will be in accordance with awarding Service’s directives (Army MilPERCEN; Navy BUPERS, etc.). Temporary qualification badges are not authorized for wear on the uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 12, 2021 Share #2042 Posted September 12, 2021 A Hand Embrioed Full Color CIB on Cotton Sateen Material on a 25th Infantry Division Shirt, Shirt is one of those PX/Army Navy Store ones, patch is hand sewn on and perhaps Vietnamese made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 13, 2021 Share #2043 Posted September 13, 2021 Two more for tonight. A Blacked Out Full Color CIB on Sateen, painted Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 13, 2021 Share #2044 Posted September 13, 2021 And a very neatly Hand Embroidered one on OD Poplin on a Tropical Coat, Vietnamese made e should think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted September 15, 2021 Share #2045 Posted September 15, 2021 The badge in post #2044 is a rare one, hard to find embroider on the poplin material. Very cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted November 10, 2021 Share #2046 Posted November 10, 2021 This is the first CIB that I’ve picked up in awhile, it’s an odd one… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted November 10, 2021 Share #2047 Posted November 10, 2021 Here is the pin clasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertmedals Posted November 12, 2021 Share #2048 Posted November 12, 2021 I just picked up this cloth CIB at an estate sale. I had not seen one like it before although there appears to be a couple of them posted in this thread (posts #44 and #141). Can anyone give me an idea of its origins? I'm thinking it is foreign made. Thanks. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivart Posted November 12, 2021 Share #2049 Posted November 12, 2021 It's German made, the style is called BEVO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivart Posted November 12, 2021 Share #2050 Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 12:48 PM, rd12 said: This is the first CIB that I’ve picked up in awhile, it’s an odd one… I've seen these described as German made. Seen DUIs with the same kind of clasp that were also likely German occupation era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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