Cobra 6 Actual Posted January 5, 2016 Share #1201 Posted January 5, 2016 Excellent acquisitions, rd12! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipranney Posted January 27, 2016 Share #1202 Posted January 27, 2016 Picked this up off of ebay Ranger Joe I think A Combat infantry badge 4th award. The stars are huge on this, I talking extra big. (The CIB is the normal size) Hallmarks look they have seen better days too, I assumed it was a fantasy piece I am happy to have it what are your guys thoughts on this? thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted January 27, 2016 Share #1203 Posted January 27, 2016 Very nice acquisition, Skip. I'll leave it to the more knowledgeable Forum members to address your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1204 Posted January 28, 2016 I don't mean to hijack this thread but I want to post some of the information I have been able to sort out from Army regulations regarding multiple awards of the CIB. As many of you probably know, the most awards of a CIB anyone has ever received is three. There have been many posts of the badges for 4th through 8th awards of the CIB. I was never quite clear if those were fantasy, speculative or actually authorized. As the following will attest, they were in fact officially authorized though most assuredly never awarded. AR 672-5-1 dated 3 May 1961 prescribed up to the fourth award of the CIB. See specifically Paragraph 96(4) of the attached extract. Also note that the attached extract from AR 672-5-2 dated from October 1961 illustrates the fourth award of the CIB. Without finding copies of earlier Army awards regulations I don't know specifically when the fourth award was first authorized. However, as far as I can tell, no one would have even been eligible for a third award of the CIB before the 3 May 1961 regulations were issued so prior to that it was all hypothetical anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1205 Posted January 28, 2016 Change 5 to Paragraph 96(4) of AR 672-5-1 dated 14 November 1963 still refers to first through fourth awards of the badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1206 Posted January 28, 2016 The description of the CIB contained in Appendix V which appears in Change 7 dated 16 October 1964 to AR 672-5-1 refers to the Eighth award of the CIB. I have not located copies of Changes 6 or 7 to Paragraph 96(4) but it is clear from this entry that up to eight awards of the CIB were authorized sometime in the eleven month between 14 November 1963 (Change 5 authorizing four awards) and Change 7. This change is where the badge with a gold musket and stars comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1207 Posted January 28, 2016 Changes 9 (16 July 1965) and 11 (20 December 1965) to Paragraph 96(4) both still authorize up to eight awards of the CIB. Change 9 attached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1208 Posted January 28, 2016 Change 11 attached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1209 Posted January 28, 2016 By Change 14 dated 26 August 1966, the regulations are back to prescribing only four awards of the CIB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1210 Posted January 28, 2016 And by Change 15 (26 June 1967), only three awards of the CIB are authorized any more. And that is how it has remained since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1211 Posted January 28, 2016 AR 672-5-2 dated July 1967 is back to illustrating only three awards of the CIB. By the way, my source for these regulations and changes is the following: http://whs.mil.campusguides.com/AR_672 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1212 Posted January 28, 2016 Thanks Sean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1213 Posted January 28, 2016 Sean, excellent research. Like you point out, although the 4th-8th awards were authorized for a brief period of time nobody ever earned them. The Army decided to change course and award CIBs for combat service during "periods of eligibility". A perfect example is the current GWOT, a soldier could have seen combat on separate deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and is only authorized the 1st award CIB. Campaign Stars are used to denote multiple tours. It would be curious to find out what drove their thinking. Perhaps with the introduction of "tours" in Vietnam the leadership saw the possibility of multiple awards being given for the same conflict. This would not have kept in tradition with how the award was earned in WW2 & Korea. (Multiple campaigns, only 1 award). I do think that some manufacturers "jumped the gun" and produced 4th -8th awards at least as samples. Mike Tucker in his book shows some of these. So while not truly "fantasy", they were certainly never purchased for wear. Thanks for the documented research above, well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted January 28, 2016 Share #1214 Posted January 28, 2016 As others have noted: thanks, Sean, for sharing your research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 3, 2016 Share #1215 Posted February 3, 2016 Found images of two of those Vietnamese made Machine Embroidered types with the ill defined musket and round/oval like wreath. Posted side by side and large and close up for the view of the two different cloths these were embroidered on, the OD Cotton Sateen, and the True ribbed OD Uniform Twill. Click on image for real enlarged view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted February 5, 2016 Share #1216 Posted February 5, 2016 Without finding copies of earlier Army awards regulations I don't know specifically when the fourth award was first authorized. I think the 2nd thru 4th awards were first authorized in AR 600-70 Badges dated 1951. However, I have been unable to find a copy to confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted February 6, 2016 Share #1217 Posted February 6, 2016 Here is a information about the CIB 4th award http://emersoninsignia.net/files/Download/CombatInf.pdf On my Dropbox is the 1954 Army uniform regulation https://www.dropbox.com/s/nbp0j6ef7xxafex/1954%20US%20Army%20AR%20600-70%20Personnel%20Badges%2029%20March%201954.pdf?dl=0 Michael Rolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilRGRHistory Posted February 7, 2016 Share #1218 Posted February 7, 2016 Here are a few new CIBs I picked up. Both are attached to an associated 27th INF DIV shirt and Ike; though I speculate Japanese made only based on the 27th DIV conducting occupation duties in Japan, I am unsure. The ribbons are neat as they are sewn around almost a particle board type material and sewn directly to the Ike. Not hard to believe that after purchasing both these bullion CIBs, the Soldier couldn't afford an entire ribbon rack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilRGRHistory Posted February 7, 2016 Share #1219 Posted February 7, 2016 And the CIB on the shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted February 7, 2016 Share #1220 Posted February 7, 2016 Really nice ones, MilRGRHistory ... Great ribbon rack, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivart Posted February 7, 2016 Share #1221 Posted February 7, 2016 Awesome CIBs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share #1222 Posted February 8, 2016 Here's a nice early GEMSCO badge I just received this weekend. The rifle has a very unique pattern and the wreath was applied separately. I have another identical pattern badge, but with a star, so I am thinking this badge is early '50s. The pins are attached to the wreath, not passed through it, so this was not an EIB upgraded to a CIB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted February 8, 2016 Share #1223 Posted February 8, 2016 Some pics of the back; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra 6 Actual Posted February 8, 2016 Share #1224 Posted February 8, 2016 Excellent one, Bob ... Heckofa collection you have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd12 Posted February 9, 2016 Share #1225 Posted February 9, 2016 Thanks Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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