LE LOUP DES MERS Posted November 18, 2022 Share #1 Posted November 18, 2022 Bought this airforce grouping and was wondering if someone could help date and identify the patches. The blood chit dates to 51 so I'm guessing that's what some of the patches dated to. The seller says this guy served in Vietnam and the Gulf war so I'm guessing the Velcro patches dated to the Gulf war but I'm no patch expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted November 18, 2022 Share #2 Posted November 18, 2022 2nd Bomb Wing, 'BUFFs' B-52's Desert Storm Desert Storm: 2nd Bomb Wing leads the air war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE LOUP DES MERS Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted November 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Salvage Sailor said: 2nd Bomb Wing, 'BUFFs' B-52's Desert Storm Desert Storm: 2nd Bomb Wing leads the air war So all the patches are dessert storm era? I also read online that some 1950s dated blood chits we're reused in the Gulf war. Which would make sense, so this is a Gulf war/desert storm era grouping? I also got the flight jacket too but no patches on it I'll have to put the patches on, flight jacket is dated 89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted November 18, 2022 Share #4 Posted November 18, 2022 Would think the patches being cut edge and full collor would be earlier than Desert Storm as well as the older looking sage green ranks. By Desert Storm the patches were merrowed edge and well into the subdued colors as well same for the rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE LOUP DES MERS Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted November 18, 2022 Maybe date to Vietnam then or maybe late 70s? If they are desert storm did most of the flight jackets have Velcro? Or were patches directly sewn on or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted November 19, 2022 Share #6 Posted November 19, 2022 The 2 BMW, flag and green name tag are 1970s era, the SAC patches 70s-80s, and captains rank late 50s to 60s. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE LOUP DES MERS Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share #7 Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Randy said: The 2 BMW, flag and green name tag are 1970s era, the SAC patches 70s-80s, and captains rank late 50s to 60s. Randy So would they use 70s patches on a 89 flight jacket? From the research I have done guys in desert storm did often use old patches that they had on newer jackets and Korean war blood chits we're used too unsure how true that is though. So that American flag patch dates to the 70s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted November 19, 2022 Share #8 Posted November 19, 2022 First, are you sure these are original to the the jacket? Just because they came with it means nothing. The jacket could have been issued towards the end of the career long after he was in the 2 BMW. But this is a real hodge-podge of pieces here. No telling if they came from one individual. US flag patches were not normally worn by bomber crews either, that tended to be an airlift thing. I was in the USAF and in Desert Storm, Never saw a blood chit on any jacket, much less a KW era one. Not being combative, just imparting what I know from my experience of 26 years in the USAF 80-06. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE LOUP DES MERS Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted November 19, 2022 Yeah, that's just want I read online, Korean war blood chits where almost the same as the desert storm ones just desert storm had 50 stars and Korean war had 48. And sewing patches on a flight jacket was up to the individual so older patches would sometimes used. But sadly in today's world can't trust everything you read online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawkALSE Posted December 3, 2022 Share #10 Posted December 3, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 12:56 AM, LE LOUP DES MERS said: Yeah, that's just want I read online, Korean war blood chits where almost the same as the desert storm ones just desert storm had 50 stars and Korean war had 48. And sewing patches on a flight jacket was up to the individual so older patches would sometimes used. But sadly in today's world can't trust everything you read online. The Desert Shield/Desert Storm chit is different than these older ones. They have SNs at all the corners and are made on a tyvek like material. Also have less languages on them. This is one that I have: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE LOUP DES MERS Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share #11 Posted December 3, 2022 2 hours ago, mohawkALSE said: The Desert Shield/Desert Storm chit is different than these older ones. They have SNs at all the corners and are made on a tyvek like material. Also have less languages on them. This is one that I have: Are the desert storm blood chits rare? I tried find one and came up with nothing. But interesting, never scene an original issued one before, all the blood chits I have scene so far are ones that were custom made by the individual or reproductions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawkALSE Posted December 3, 2022 Share #12 Posted December 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, LE LOUP DES MERS said: Are the desert storm blood chits rare? I tried find one and came up with nothing. But interesting, never scene an original issued one before, all the blood chits I have scene so far are either custom made or reproductions. They are out there, I wont say rare but they are uncommon. I got this one from a guy who was a back seater in Wild Weasel F-4s during the war. He said after they rotated back to the US, their SERE shop had a crap load of them and were considered obsolete so he was able to get them and sold them off over the years. I have seen then pop up on ebay the last 5 yrs so so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohawkALSE Posted December 3, 2022 Share #13 Posted December 3, 2022 This is another version of a chit from the Gulf War that I got from a guy who was in the 101st Abn Div, can see its like a pocket version essentially. Bigger than a business card, but smaller than a baseball card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LE LOUP DES MERS Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share #14 Posted December 3, 2022 Yeah, all the ones that I have seen on ebay are reproduction never found a legit one yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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