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Is this the insignia used for Marine PFC's prior to WW1...? Many thanks! s/f Darrell

 

Darrell

 

Correct! These were worn in pairs, your version for the blues, in green/red for the alphas. I would suppose they were also worn on the tan uniform but I have never actually seen a set.

 

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As mark said, it sure is! They do exist in tan with green rifles, I know I've seen a pair for sale somewhere recently....hmmmm.

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As mark said, it sure is! They do exist in tan with green rifles, I know I've seen a pair for sale somewhere recently....hmmmm.

 

Seems to me I remember someone having a choice set of blues with a set of those PFC patches sewn on! jeal0001.gif

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Chris is correct. I've had a couple of documented WWI 5th Marine Brigade uniforms with these chevrons sewn on both sleeves. If there was a patch on the upper left sleeve the PFC chevron would be sewn below it. I've seen them only on uniforms dated from 1918-1920.

 

S/F,

 

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Does anyone have any pictures of a marine wearing these?

 

 

 

Jon B

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Thanks for the Picture. It helps.

 

 

Jon B

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Thanks John !

 

 

 

 

I appreciate your posting that kahki one.

 

 

I learn so much from you guys. Man I love this Forum.

 

 

Jon B

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Always looking for information on the USMC from 1916 - 1920, exp the 11th Company in Haiti and in WW1, 4th 5th, HQ Company.

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Here are the three color variations I have. According to John Stacey's book, "U.S. Navy Marks(And Others) On Marine Uniforms", the rifles on the khaki version were originally brown. Subsequent to WW1, the rifles were changed from brown to green. John Stacey also states that this Private, First Class insignia was replaced in 1926 by a single chevron worn on both sleeves.

 

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Back in 1959 when the USMC introduced its new and still current rank system, I did not understand why they used crossed rifles in the insignia. When I learned many years later that this was the insignia of a P.F.C. way back when, it became clear that it obviously was a heraldic decision to incorporate the old rank.

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"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (Message sent by 1st Lt. Clifton B. Cates. USMC, 96th Co., Soissons, 19 July 1918 - later 19th Commandant of the Marine Corps 1948-1952)

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Back in 1959 when the USMC introduced its new and still current rank system, I did not understand why they used crossed rifles in the insignia. When I learned many years later that this was the insignia of a P.F.C. way back when, it became clear that it obviously was a heraldic decision to incorporate the old rank.

Semper Fi......Bobgee

 

I didn't even think about that until now, but it is quite fitting and very cool.

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... it obviously was a heraldic decision to incorporate the old rank.

Semper Fi......Bobgee

and would add, the other enlisted chevrons of today also carry the symbols of past / earliest era's


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