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militbuff

Looking for help ID’ing these Navy rates.  Specifically, when do they date from and what do they represent. Much appreciated!

 

 

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David Minton

I don’t have my books handy, but I’m 99% certain they are not USN. Some remind me of USPHS, but don’t think they are. 

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sigsaye
10 hours ago, David Minton said:

I don’t have my books handy, but I’m 99% certain they are not USN. Some remind me of USPHS, but don’t think they are. 

They are not USN. 

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militbuff

Thanks David and sigsaye.  Any idea what they might be or if they’re even USA?

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sigsaye
2 hours ago, militbuff said:

Thanks David and sigsaye.  Any idea what they might be or if they’re even USA?

I doubt they are US. The shape of the propeller and the crossed signal flags are wrong. Also, crossed Signal Flags and the Helm were never a US thing. Just my opinion, based on those things.And, I don’t see anything like them in Stacey’s book

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militbuff
41 minutes ago, sigsaye said:

I doubt they are US. The shape of the propeller and the crossed signal flags are wrong. Also, crossed Signal Flags and the Helm were never a US thing. Just my opinion, based on those things.And, I don’t see anything like them in Stacey’s book


Much appreciated.  I guess they go into the unknown box!

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sigsaye
29 minutes ago, militbuff said:


Much appreciated.  I guess they go into the unknown box!

I can’t place them. Even how they are made makes them “not US”. They could be from a school, Yatch club, commercial shipping line, I’ve just never seen them before.   The hard part is, that all Navies that have rate insignia, use basically the same stuff, (Crossed Anchors, Crossed Flags, Screw, Helm, Crossed Guns). 

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hardstripe

The blue ones look like they could be Army Transport Service from around 1898 - 1930. Refer to Emerson's book "Chevrons...", page 228-229 in the 1983 printing and page 377-378 in the 2013 edition. I would be interested in buying them if they are for sale.

 

 

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militbuff
On 8/1/2022 at 10:54 AM, hardstripe said:

The blue ones look like they could be Army Transport Service from around 1898 - 1930. Refer to Emerson's book "Chevrons...", page 228-229 in the 1983 printing and page 377-378 in the 2013 edition. I would be interested in buying them if they are for sale.

 

 


Coincidentally enough, without having seen your post, I saw them last night after having just received Emerson’s chevrons book yesterday!   

 

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militbuff
3 hours ago, sigsaye said:

Well, there you go. Never seen those or that book. Very nice. 


It’s a great book.  I’m not a rate or chevron collector but I recently picked up a large patch collection that had lots of both.  It’s given me a real opportunity to learn about patches I previously knew nothing about.  It’s nice to know you can still learn things after the age of 50! 

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sigsaye
2 hours ago, militbuff said:


It’s a great book.  I’m not a rate or chevron collector but I recently picked up a large patch collection that had lots of both.  It’s given me a real opportunity to learn about patches I previously knew nothing about.  It’s nice to know you can still learn things after the age of 50! 

I’m 67, never saw those rates. 

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On 8/6/2022 at 11:06 AM, militbuff said:


It’s a great book.  I’m not a rate or chevron collector but I recently picked up a large patch collection that had lots of both.  It’s given me a real opportunity to learn about patches I previously knew nothing about.  It’s nice to know you can still learn things after the age of 50! 

I have the book by JohnnStacet, it only covers USN. I also have his book covering USN insignia on USMC uniforms. Both are great. 

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I also recently purchased the Stacey book.  It’s a great primer for those of us who never collected Navy rates.  My next purchase will be Stacy’s book on USN insignia on USMC uniforms.  The big reference books are truly the best way to learn.  I have a hard time learning about patches/rates off the internet.

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