sgtbrown Posted February 21, 2009 Share #1 Posted February 21, 2009 I have seen a dress blue "WWII Woman Marine Uniform" for sale. I have a strong suspicion BAM's were not authorized such uniforms during the war. Can anyone give me a starting date? Thanks, Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a6skin9 Posted February 22, 2009 Share #2 Posted February 22, 2009 Women Marines did not have a dress blue uniform until 1952, and the term BAM is considered an insult to many former WMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwnorma Posted February 22, 2009 Share #3 Posted February 22, 2009 Women Marines did not have a dress blue uniform until 1952... Here is a well known photo of Gunnery Sergeant Opha Mae Johnson, inspecting 3 Marines (F), taken in 1918, wearing her (possibly) one of a kind women's dress blue uniform. The three Marines (F) she is inspecting are wearing their standard uniform. While a Marine (F) dress blue uniform never may have been authorized by regulations, it clearly was, at least in one instance "allowed." As far as I know It is the only known photograph of this particular uniform in wear, and I have never seen any reference to it. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtbrown Posted February 22, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted February 22, 2009 Thanks for the info. That answers my question. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted February 22, 2009 Share #5 Posted February 22, 2009 Here is a well known photo of Gunnery Sergeant Opha Mae Johnson, inspecting 3 Marines (F), taken in 1918, wearing her (possibly) one of a kind women's dress blue uniform. The three Marines (F) she is inspecting are wearing their standard uniform. While a Marine (F) dress blue uniform never may have been authorized by regulations, it clearly was, at least in one instance "allowed." As far as I know It is the only known photograph of this particular uniform in wear, and I have never seen any reference to it. Chris Life magazine had another version from 1917 with a caption that said, "Lillian Russell wearing US Marine Corps Woman Reserve uniform..." Lillian Russell was a popular singer of the era and according to Wikipedia, "During World War I, she recruited for the U.S. Marine Corps and raised money for the war effort." I suspect that the uniform was something put together just for the recruiting duty. I believe the other photo is also of Miss Russell: Opha Mae Johnson was the first woman Marine but she was a private. Miss Johnson may be one of the other three women in the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted February 22, 2009 Share #6 Posted February 22, 2009 Also from the LIFE archives on Google is a 1918 photo of the "Marinettes" of WWI wearing the typical uniform. Below that is a 1994 shot of a female Marine in a "summer dress" uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwnorma Posted February 22, 2009 Share #7 Posted February 22, 2009 Life magazine had another version from 1917 with a caption that said, "Lillian Russell wearing US Marine Corps Woman Reserve uniform..." Lillian Russell was a popular singer of the era and according to Wikipedia, "During World War I, she recruited for the U.S. Marine Corps and raised money for the war effort." I suspect that the uniform was something put together just for the recruiting duty. I believe the other photo is also of Miss Russell: Opha Mae Johnson was the first woman Marine but she was a private. Miss Johnson may be one of the other three women in the photo. Bob, Well, Opha Mae Johnson enrolled as a Private, but she also holds the distinction of having been the highest ranking Marine (F) attaining the rank of Sergeant by the end of the war ("Dressed for Duty Vol 1" -- Halcomb Smith P333). A photograph of Opha Mae Johnson (ibid: P334) shows that she does indeed look very similar to the woman in the photographs identified by Life Magazine as Lillian Russel. The three other women are identified in another famous photo, taken in the same location, (probably during the same photo session) are left to right: PFC Ruth Spike, PFC May O'Keef, and PFC Mary Kelly ("American Women in WW1" -- Gavin, P40). All three were were assigned to Headquarters USMC, Washington, DC. So, you are most assuredly correct. I put two and two together and came up with 5. Opha Mae Johnson was mustered out as a Sergeant (but not a Gunnery Sergeant), she looked similar to Lillian Russel, and apparently Lillian Russel's "uniform" was a "stage prop." Thanks for correcting my math! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted February 22, 2009 Share #8 Posted February 22, 2009 So, you are most assuredly correct. I put two and two together and came up with 5. Opha Mae Johnson was mustered out as a Sergeant (but not a Gunnery Sergeant), she looked similar to Lillian Russel, and apparently Lillian Russel's "uniform" was a "stage prop." Thanks for correcting my math! Chris It's those fairly new LIFE archives in the Google Images: there's a lot yet to be learned from those millions of (mostly unpublished) photos with captions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted May 11, 2011 Share #9 Posted May 11, 2011 ...interesting image http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...ME:B:SS:US:1123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted May 11, 2011 Share #10 Posted May 11, 2011 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted September 11, 2011 Share #11 Posted September 11, 2011 So, you are most assuredly correct. I put two and two together and came up with 5. Opha Mae Johnson was mustered out as a Sergeant (but not a Gunnery Sergeant), she looked similar to Lillian Russel, and apparently Lillian Russel's "uniform" was a "stage prop." Thanks for correcting my math! Chris while not an expert on ranks of the past by any means...I do believe that back when that chevron was used, a Gunnery Sergeant was one who was a master of arms and ordinance, and was even paid a bit extra for this certification...I believe that criteria would have been beyond the scope of WM's in those days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted November 19, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 19, 2014 Stumbling on this again and realizing that she must have been wearing the blues blouse solely for the photo purposes...enlisted Marines didn't rate collar emblems, aside from the disks seen in France/Germany...until 1920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMaddoxUSMC Posted May 6, 2017 Share #13 Posted May 6, 2017 Here is another photo of Lillian Russell as a pretend Captain in the July 1918 issue of Recruiter's Bulletin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easterneagle87 Posted May 6, 2017 Share #14 Posted May 6, 2017 VERY COOL THREAD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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