Raider and Iceland Corpsman Jumper

[JerryTheGerman]

Just bought this jumper and waiting for delivery. It's named to a Pharmacist Mate 1st Class; David B Linder of the 1st Marine Regiment. After joining the navy in 1940, he is shipped out to Iceland with the 6th Marines to Iceland in 1941, and soon after the marines are taken out of Iceland he is attached to the 1st marine raider regiment and is shipped out to New Georgia in 1943 (as seen in the photo  of him being transported on the USS Schley in route to New Georgia) But after that his record goes flat till December of 1945 when he is let out of the navy. I also noticed he was in the same unit as Doyler's Raider/ 3rd MarDiv Jumper. Then in 1950 he joins the navy again ( No service in Korea to my knoledge) and retires in 1952. This is my first Marine Raider item and I'm quite happy about it 😁

[Brig]

Very neat uniform...the Iceland connection is just as good and uncommon as the Raider connection, Iceland just doesn't get the fanboys.

[doyler]

here is a little more of his group..... 

 

I also have 2 of his 50s Chiefs uniforms and caps. He was an instructor at Camp Pendelton I recall during Korea war

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...Raider+Corpsman

[JerryTheGerman]

Oh wow! Didn’t even know that was his group! Well very cool that I got the missing early-war part of the uniform 

[JerryTheGerman]

2 hours ago, doyler said:

here is a little more of his group..... 

 

I also have 2 of his 50s Chiefs uniforms and caps. He was an instructor at Camp Pendelton I recall during Korea war

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...Raider+Corpsman

Do you know anything about where he was at between 1944-1945?

[Longbranch]

Interesting uniform. I don’t believe an HA (Hospital Aprentice) or PhM (Pharmacist’s Mate)/Corpsman are considered part of the seaman branch of the WW2 era US Navy. Were they??? 
 

Also odd that the cuff piping and shoulder stripe indicate a rank of Seaman 2nd class (S2c) when his muster rolls don’t show he would have had that rating for very long (possibly not at all). November 1940 muster rolls have him as Apprentice Seaman and the December 1940 one has him as Hospital Apprentice 2nd class…

 

Can you show some closeups of the back flap and cuffs? If made from blue wool (as they appear in your pics) that would date this uniform to a bit earlier than 1940, but not by too much. Blue twill would be more expected but not a certainty I suppose. There is a man whose name could match up to the earlier name stamp in the jumper… he would have been late teens to early 20s in age in the 1920s. Might be a match there.

[JerryTheGerman]

13 minutes ago, Longbranch said:

Interesting uniform. I don’t believe an HA (Hospital Aprentice) or PhM (Pharmacist’s Mate)/Corpsman are considered part of the seaman branch of the WW2 era US Navy. Were they??? 
 

Also odd that the cuff piping and shoulder stripe indicate a rank of Seaman 2nd class (S2c) when his muster rolls don’t show he would have had that rating for very long (possibly not at all). November 1940 muster rolls have him as Apprentice Seaman and the December 1940 one has him as Hospital Apprentice 2nd class…

 

Can you show some closeups of the back flap and cuffs? If made from blue wool (as they appear in your pics) that would date this uniform to a bit earlier than 1940, but not by too much. Blue twill would be more expected but not a certainty I suppose. There is a man whose name could match up to the earlier name stamp in the jumper… he would have been late teens to early 20s in age in the 1920s. Might be a match there.

Another possibility to keep in mind is that this could have been reissued to another sailor as for the reason it may not have any insignia and it being separated from Doyler’s part of the grouping. Also explains the shoulder stripe.

[Longbranch]

Possible I guess, but unlikely. Considering the ratings he held from 1940-1943, he could have worn this uniform right up until the last day it was permitted. After that, nobody would be wearing dress white jumpers, so I would guess no need to re-issue. 

[doyler]

9 hours ago, JerryTheGerman said:

Another possibility to keep in mind is that this could have been reissued to another sailor as for the reason it may not have any insignia and it being separated from Doyler’s part of the grouping. Also explains the shoulder stripe.

 

 

Looks to me like Linders name is stamped on top of the other name and he was the second owner. His items have been scattered to the wind for more than 30 years. The person who had the items I ended up with was actually worked with him and both were in the same police choir and force. The person sold some hbts at gun shows etc 30 years ago.

 

As I understand it he served in the 2nd Division after the Raiders

[Kurt Barickman]

Yup, he was a member of the 2nd Marine Division Association in the Minnesota Chapter.

 

Kurt

[JerryTheGerman]

It seems as though the man before Linder was a Seaman 2nd Class named Thurman J. Surface and was enlisted in 1939 but seems to have left the service in 1940 which would make sense for Linder to be reissued the uniform as he also entered service around late 1940 which may be a helpful clue to this.

 

[JerryTheGerman]

Update: got the jumper in the mail yesterday and it looks great and has a striker outline which probably means he wore this as a hospital apprentice: 

[doyler]

Im sure he had a few of the strikers.This was in his bible in the group I obtained

 

[Kurt Barickman]

When I went to his widow’s house many years ago, she and her son had a large board of pharmacists mate and Raider and 2nd USMC Second Division insignia.

 

Kurt

[JerryTheGerman]

UPDATE: this is an older topic but just wanted to dig it up and say I did restore his uniform to around when he was a hospital apprentice, I added some ribbons and a Hospital Apprentice striker. Added an Early war “Unit-C” bag as well and an M1 Helmet. Hope y’all like it