Fredoc Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hello all. Looks British. Is it WW2 ? All comments would be very appreciate. Thanks. Fred Link to post Share on other sites
Teamski Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 A back shot would really help! -Ski In Memory Of......Pte Harold Griffiths, 1805, 1/6th Manchester Regt, KIA June 4th, 1915 in GallipoliCpl Isaac Judges, 40494, 6th East Yorkshire Regt, KIA October 3rd, 1917 in YpresMay they rest in peace..... MSgt - USAF Retired Link to post Share on other sites
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John Cooper Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I have seen several of this pattern on Ebay recently but never with what appears to be copper loops. Those that I have seen appear to be cast. Is it possible to have you take straight shots without the flash under natural or diffused light. If you have a macro setting that would be most helpful... Have you looked at this with a loupe to see if tiny pitts \ holes are present..? There appears to be a large one on the front right just below the shoulder. Sorry for all the questions as it is hard to tell with the photos. BTW - is it just the flash of are these wings minty fresh or someone placed them is a silver dip? John Always looking for Wings & Named Air Medals! Motto: To Collect, Preserve, and Remember! Link to post Share on other sites
Cobrahistorian Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Nice feather detail! Definitely want to see what everyone else has to say about these. In memory of 1LT Julius C. Goldman, XO of F/330th, 83rd Infantry Division 1944-45. Looking for ETO/MTO P-47 and Tactical Reconnaissance Unit photographs and any items associated with WWII Jewish fighter pilots. Curator of Arms & Armor at the National Museum of the Marine Corps http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/usmfribbons/donation2009.gifhttp://www.usmilitariaforum.com/usmfribbons/donation2010.gifhttp://www.usmilitariaforum.com/usmfribbons/donation2011.gifhttp://www.usmilitariaforum.com/usmfribbons/donation2012.gifhttp://www.usmilitariaforum.com/usmfribbons/donation2013.gifhttp://www.usmilitariaforum.com/usmfribbons/donation2014.gif Link to post Share on other sites
KurtA Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I suspect it is a fake. Kurt Link to post Share on other sites
militarymodels Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 From the pictures, I would not buy it for my collection personally. It looks like one of those copies for motocycle, helmet or such to display. However, better picture quality with close up front and back in the natral daylight probably would help subject to better opinions. Regards, Lonny "I think, therefore I am" - René Descartes Link to post Share on other sites
Fredoc Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here are somme better pictures (I hope). I think they are made of nickel silver . Anyhow thanks for the comments. Link to post Share on other sites
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militarymodels Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thanks for the close up pictures. It's definitely not for my collection! Looks like one of those poor pewter cast. Regards, Lonny "I think, therefore I am" - René Descartes Link to post Share on other sites
101combatvet Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I have my doubts about this one but I wouldn't call it a fake without seeing it in the flesh. Usually, the English ones are two piece.... were the center is fastened by prongs or sweated on the wings. I'm sure there are exceptions like the pilots wing and possibly another with rounded center device. All of mine are straight pin backs. Link to post Share on other sites
pfrost Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Just speaking for myself, I wouldn't be so quick to throw this one into the "repro" heap. I have seen a few wings with the cotter pin arrangement. It is a rather rare setup and I don't see them that typically faked (as opposed to the fake "English-style" pin that is more common). Of course, it is hard to say for sure, but it looks to me to be die struck, not cast. That would also be a good sign, IMHO. You can see the image of the strike in the center of the US shield from the behind. The base metal seems to match the metal of some other English made wings that I have seen. The pattern is also correct for the English made wings So, without handling it and studying it closer, it could be a good wing. AND, if in fact, it were a good wing, the cotter pin attachment system would actually make this a very rare variant I believe, since I dont think the cotter pin system was very popular (you would have to cut holes in the uniform to really successfully mount the thing). Patrick Link to post Share on other sites
101combatvet Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I would agree with you on the cotter pin.... if real it might be an early variant before the Brits realized that we used straight pins. Also, for what it is worth there is a big flaw on the shield.... I have seen this on known originals before..... not that it means much. I would like to see pictures of the top and bottom of the shield if that is possible? Just speaking for myself, I wouldn't be so quick to throw this one into the "repro" heap. I have seen a few wings with the cotter pin arrangement. It is a rather rare setup and I don't see them that typically faked (as opposed to the fake "English-style" pin that is more common). Of course, it is hard to say for sure, but it looks to me to be die struck, not cast. That would also be a good sign, IMHO. You can see the image of the strike in the center of the US shield from the behind. The base metal seems to match the metal of some other English made wings that I have seen. The pattern is also correct for the English made wings So, without handling it and studying it closer, it could be a good wing. AND, if in fact, it were a good wing, the cotter pin attachment system would actually make this a very rare variant I believe, since I dont think the cotter pin system was very popular (you would have to cut holes in the uniform to really successfully mount the thing). Patrick Link to post Share on other sites
Fredoc Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Sorry for the late answer. Here are some more pictures. Link to post Share on other sites
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Fredoc Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thanks Patrick and 101combatvet , you make me feel better. I paid 5 US $ for these wings and I din't think they would make repro with that kind of attachment. Fred Link to post Share on other sites
101combatvet Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hmmmm.... I don't know for sure..... I'm thinking that this was an obscure maker that did it his way.... for $5 I'd buy them all day long. Link to post Share on other sites
teufelhunde.ret Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 ... Of course, it is hard to say for sure, but it looks to me to be die struck, not cast. That would also be a good sign, IMHO. You can see the image of the strike in the center of the US shield from the behind.Patrick Agree, one can see a die crack in pictures 17 & 18... The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946) Link to post Share on other sites
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