Norsid Co. New York, NY: examples and patterns

[pfrost]

Another pilot wing like John's. The aircrew wing is also in the same "NORSID" pattern. I am not sure WHY this is attributed to NORSID. I seem to recall some one telling me that some of this pattern may be hallmarked but I don't think I have ever seen one. Either that or it is just one of those "militaria show lore" when some dealer tells some other dealer "This is a NORSID wing" and it sticks.

 

But, NORSID or not, it is a unique pattern. Very art-deco.

 

BTW all the wings in my collection in this pattern are clutchback. They all have the usual characteristics of what I consider the classic WWII style of clutch backs (little pools of solder, etc). In general, I wouldn't have any issues placing these in the 1941-1945 time period of manufacture.

[pfrost]

This is the last one in my collection. It is a very nice flight engineer 2-piece wing made on an observer base. I have seen the observer wing as well.

 

As the flight engineer wing is a late war-post war wing, it could push this pattern of wing into the late 40's early 50's.

 

One last thing, while I don't have any scans available, I believe I have a few of the 2 inch wings in this pattern here and there. My gut tells me that those are all WWII vintage wings as well.

 

Patrick

[bschwartz]

I've always loved this pattern (the 'art deco' one as Patrick said) and have referred to it as a Norsid pattern for years. Probably because that is how it's identified in the Fitzsimmons book on page 41. In that book it's attributed to a Korean veteran who was given the wing by his father who wore it when he was in the service. Apparently his father was a 1930s Army Air Corps veteran. Take it for what it's worth but that's how I came to call this a Norsid pattern. I've never seen one in that pattern hallmarked.

[pfrost]

I've always loved this pattern (the 'art deco' one as Patrick said) and have referred to it as a Norsid pattern for years. Probably because that is how it's identified in the Fitzsimmons book on page 41. In that book it's attributed to a Korean veteran who was given the wing by his father who wore it when he was in the service. Apparently his father was a 1930s Army Air Corps veteran. Take it for what it's worth but that's how I came to call this a Norsid pattern. I've never seen one in that pattern hallmarked.

 

Hi Bob,

 

Just perused your sight and in about 30 second found (many attributed to Cliff's collection):

an observer (but not a navigator wing): http://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/observ...fobserver.shtml

a glider pilot (but for some reason I didn't see the service or liaison): http://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/glider...derpilot3.shtml

a bombardier wing: http://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/bombar...mbardier1.shtml,

a flight surgeon in gold (--thus firmly placing this in early WWII): http://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/flight...htsurgeon.shtml

a flight surgeon in sliver: http://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/flight...htsurgeon.shtml

a gunner: wing http://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/gunner...idegunner.shtml

 

all in this pattern.

 

ALso, an old thread here.... http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=58792 which shows a couple of NORSID marked pilot wing in this pattern (see post #17). So, they do exist.

 

Finally, here is one I got from some where a long time ago and filed away. A NORSID marked bombardier wing. --- which seems to have come from the thread marked above and originally posted by John Cooper.

 

I guess I was wrong, this is NOT a question of Militaria show lore, but is an actual truth.

[bschwartz]

Nice bit of research Patrick. I guess that settles it! The observer you linked to on my site is in my own collection. I also have an air crew and I think one other one but a lot of my collection is packed away at the moment so I can't do a quick check. As I mentioned before, I've always liked this pattern. They look very nice in person.

[Costa]

THIS WENT ON YOU PAY FOR 740.00. #281010114371--------------

[Allan H.]

I know you wanted it Mitch. I assume you didn't get it? What a price! A first pattern Luxemburg would have been cheaper!

 

Allan

[pfrost]

I know you wanted it Mitch. I assume you didn't get it? What a price! A first pattern Luxemburg would have been cheaper!

 

Allan

 

That is just crazy! What are people thinking?

[John Cooper]

Like anything if you want it bad enough... but there is always folks who pump up the bids. IIRC Patrick at one time there was a thread about that.

 

 

 

Cheers

John

[Wingcommander]

Thats just nuts

[B-17Guy]

Always amazes me when a wing sells on ebay for far more then what it is listed for many dealers web-sites

as a simple sale.

Ron has two Norsid Bombardier wings on his site now, one for $300 and another for $350......

Really, it sold for $750?

 

Pics below

 

Best, John

[ram957]

It is now for sale on eBay with a $750.00 buy it now....Item # 271100307853

[5thwingmarty]

I just picked up this wing and a friend just told me it was the Norsid pattern. I had started a thread earlier today asking if anyone recognized the pattern. Anyhow, I thought I would add a gunner wing to this thread.

 

 

[mghcal]

I bought this one about a week ago it's a really nice looking pattern. I've noticed some of the Norsid wings have some lettering behind the sterling mark. It looks like a backwards sterling stamp to me what do you guys think?

[mghcal]

Back.

[mghcal]

Hallmark. Notice the letters behind in the top left of the sterling mark.

[Costa]

I don't see Norcid wings floating around so I grabbed this.

[Costa]

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[rustywings]

Beautiful badge! I have a Bombardier example with the "NORSID Co." hallmark...but the Aerial Gunner badge with that company hallmark has eluded me for many years! I was lucky enough to find a Norsid-pattern Glider Pilot wing at the SOS a couple of weeks ago, but it too was without the company hallmark.

 

Nice pick-up! Thanks for posting...

[5thwingmarty]

I just picked up a Norsid bombardier wing. The "Norsid Co. - N.Y.C." had been partly obliterated. I think at some point they altered their dies to remove their name (like Orber did) but they did a better job of doing so on some of their dies.

[katieony]

I personally do not see them very often.

[Patchcollector]

A handsome Wing

[will m.]

Had always thought that Norsid folded mid-war.....but I found a 1946 dated ad.......they were advertising Discharge Pins. They might have sold off their wing dies, possibly accounting for the over-strikes, obliteration and removal off the Norsid hallmark. This pattern did eventually suffer the indignity of having "crappy" post war restrikes made.

[B-17Guy]

I believe correct WWII Norsid wing badges have a Sterling back mark or "Norsid NYC Sterling".

I heard once that they moved to Yonkers about 1949 and are marked as such.

I have three pilot wings by Norsid, a first pattern marked Sterling, like the gunner wing above and two second pattern, one marked "Norsid NYC Stering" the simply Sterling marked.

Very nice wing and nice find!

 

John.

[Kilroy56]

Dear Forum ,

These appear to be original die struck wings.

Raised sterling mark , cam pin. Norsid pattern ?

Thank you for your thoughts .