Salvage Sailor Posted October 25, 2021 #51 Posted October 25, 2021 Not a medal but it is WWI or Interwar... Anyone know which State or time period this came from? It was mixed in with a bunch of insignia which I picked up in the last Century. MILITARY SERVICE STATE GUARD
Primoris Scio Posted October 25, 2021 #52 Posted October 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, bertmedals said: Yes. States, counties, towns/cities, organizations all made their own decisions on whether to issue medals and if so, the design, qualifications, etc. I believe it is generally accepted that there were over 2000 different state, county, town/city, and organization medals produced for WW1 service. That number seems to constantly increase as new ones that are not in the references are discovered. Some counties//towns/organizations issued lapel pins, badges, rings, cigarette lighters, and so on in lieu of medals. Some communities presented more than one type of medal as well. Ususally this means they issued a medal or something else to men/women who registered or signed up for the military or some other war service organization and a different one to veterans when they returned home. I suspect the military uniform regs would only allow the wearing of Federal and State issued awards, and not the county/city types? Money would most likely factor into the state's decision-making whether or not to issue their own medal.
bertmedals Posted October 25, 2021 #53 Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, Primoris Scio said: I suspect the military uniform regs would only allow the wearing of Federal and State issued awards, and not the county/city types? Money would most likely factor into the state's decision-making whether or not to issue their own medal. I think yes on both points. I have seen many photographs of discharged veterans wearing their county/town/organization medals in uniform however. In researching several local medals in town archives, I have read City Council deliberations on cost and in fact serveral deciding against it for that reason. Cost also factored into the decision as to award a medal or something less expensive such as a lapel pin. Some of the county, and town/city medals were paid for by non-governmental groups but still awarded on behalf of the citizens of the community. There is a recent post on the forum about the medal awarded for Bethlehem, Pennsylvania that discusses one of those instances. Dennis
zippo88 Posted October 25, 2021 #54 Posted October 25, 2021 Oddly- Colorado didn't as far as I know for WW1 service, but DID for NG service on the Mexican border-
mikes militaria Posted October 25, 2021 #55 Posted October 25, 2021 Hi Dennis, great to see you join the conversation. I read somewhere a while ago that the NY field service medal was for guarding the “Aquaduct”. Do you, or anyone, know anything about this? There seem to be quite a few out there, and I have no idea what the Aquaduct is. Mike.
bertmedals Posted October 25, 2021 #56 Posted October 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, zippo88 said: Oddly- Colorado didn't as far as I know for WW1 service, but DID for NG service on the Mexican border- According to Douglas Boyce's book "State Medals for War Service" Revised Edition, page 12, Colorado issued an "Active Service Medal" with 5 different bars, one of which is 1917-1918 with the qualifying dates being April 6, 1917-June 10, 1919 corresponding to the date the US declared war for WW1 and just prior to the signing of the Versailles Treaty (June 28). Boyce indicates it was awarded to those not in Federal service which I would think was somewhat analagous to the New York Medal for State Service During the World War (also referred to as the "Acqueduct Medal" and the "Field Service Medal"). Interestingly, Boyce also identifes a modified Colorado Mexican Border Service Medal which is a Colorado Active Service Medal with the reverse of the Mexican Border Service Medal with the date 1917 erased and replaced with the words "Active Service". Dennis
bertmedals Posted October 25, 2021 #57 Posted October 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, mikes militaria said: Hi Dennis, great to see you join the conversation. I read somewhere a while ago that the NY field service medal was for guarding the “Aquaduct”. Do you, or anyone, know anything about this? There seem to be quite a few out there, and I have no idea what the Aquaduct is. Mike. Mike, From Boyce's book, page 71, this is the New York Medal for State Service During the World War. Yes, it is often called the NY "Acquaduct" Medal or the NY "Field Service" Medal. It was awarded to members of state forces (National Guard mostly) who provided security functions in the state during the war. Dennis
JBFloyd Posted October 25, 2021 #58 Posted October 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, mikes militaria said: Hi Dennis, great to see you join the conversation. I read somewhere a while ago that the NY field service medal was for guarding the “Aquaduct”. Do you, or anyone, know anything about this? There seem to be quite a few out there, and I have no idea what the Aquaduct is. Mike. The New York State Guard protected public utilities, especially the water supply system of New York City, which involved tunnels, aqueducts and reservoirs feeding into the city.
bertmedals Posted October 25, 2021 #59 Posted October 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Flashlarue said: I have seen an Arkansas WW1 medal If you have seen one, do you have a photo of it you could post? It was my understanding that the medal was planned and the necessary laws passed but never produced. Dennis
bertmedals Posted October 25, 2021 #60 Posted October 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, JBFloyd said: The New York State Guard protected public utilities, especially the water supply system of New York City, which involved tunnels, aqueducts and reservoirs feeding into the city. Thanks, Jeff, for that explanation. Very helpful.
zippo88 Posted October 26, 2021 #62 Posted October 26, 2021 3 hours ago, bertmedals said: According to Douglas Boyce's book "State Medals for War Service" Revised Edition, page 12, Colorado issued an "Active Service Medal" with 5 different bars, one of which is 1917-1918 with the qualifying dates being April 6, 1917-June 10, 1919 corresponding to the date the US declared war for WW1 and just prior to the signing of the Versailles Treaty (June 28). Boyce indicates it was awarded to those not in Federal service which I would think was somewhat analagous to the New York Medal for State Service During the World War (also referred to as the "Acqueduct Medal" and the "Field Service Medal"). Interestingly, Boyce also identifes a modified Colorado Mexican Border Service Medal which is a Colorado Active Service Medal with the reverse of the Mexican Border Service Medal with the date 1917 erased and replaced with the words "Active Service". Dennis I'll be damned...I have never seen one Learn something new everyday
Flashlarue Posted October 26, 2021 #63 Posted October 26, 2021 The Arkansas medal was in very poor condition and I failed to get photos.
bertmedals Posted October 26, 2021 #64 Posted October 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, Flashlarue said: The Arkansas medal was in very poor condition and I failed to get photos. Thanks.
Primoris Scio Posted November 1, 2021 #65 Posted November 1, 2021 On 10/25/2021 at 1:39 PM, mikes militaria said: I have a copy of Louis Small’s medal book. 1990. He has 180 New York local medals listed. Massachusetts is next with 132 and Pennsylvania with 119. I wanted to know how many soldiers came from New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts during in WW1, here is what I found: New York - 500,000+ https://www.ny.gov/programs/new-york-state-wwi-centennial-commission Pennsylvania - 297,000+ https://www.worldwar1centennial.org/pennsylvania-ww1-centennial-home.html Massachusetts - 189,000+ https://www.worldwar1centennial.org/index.php/ma-wwi-centennial-commission-home.html If we round the total to 990,000 and divide it by the 4,700,000 US soldiers total (for all services) in WW1, we see that 21% of all US military manpower was supplied by those 3 states. It now makes sense why they created so many medals.
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #66 Posted November 2, 2021 Pictured are some of the New York local medals. Some local medals are one of a kind. Most are medals from makers that sold to many localities with minor differences, name of the locality, specific town or city seal etc. I have a few local Mexican Border Service medals that are similar to WW1 medals. There are many medals that look identical to other medals with the only difference being the inscription on the back. I’ll post other states as well in later posts. Top row, left to right. New York county, city and town medals. locality: Ft. Plain, City of N. Tonawanda, Medina, Saranac Lake, Dutchess County, Fulton Co., Hornell District, # issued: 113 638 248 213 3780 1851 619 Allegany County, Yates County 1518 686 Second row: Patchogue, Inwood, Lawrence, Cedarhurst, Woodmere and Hewlett, Lovejoy, N.Y.State Svc. N.Y. State WW1 Svc. 166 659 (1 medal for 5 localities.) N/A N/A 427,871 N.Y. Mills, Tarrytown, Town of Warwick, Nyack N/A 239 100 183 Third row: La Salle and Niagara, Scotia, Glen Cove, Naples, Mt. Vernon, Rensselaer, City of Saratoga Springs, 172 180 357 47 1,760 446 543 Town of Stillwater, Barryville and New Village 40 N/A Fourth row: City of Kingston, City of Canadaigua, City of Utica, Town of Salem, Persia, Cattaraugus County, 1,100 303 3,879 45 90 Eastern District of Wayne County, City of Salamanca, Towns of Glen & Mohawk, Town of Hamburg N/A 382 120 131
bertmedals Posted November 2, 2021 #67 Posted November 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, mikes militaria said: Pictured are some of the New York local medals. Some local medals are one of a kind. Most are medals from makers that sold to many localities with minor differences, name of the locality, specific town or city seal etc. I have a few local Mexican Border Service medals that are similar to WW1 medals. There are many medals that look identical to other medals with the only difference being the inscription on the back. I’ll post other states as well in later posts. Top row, left to right. New York county, city and town medals. locality: Ft. Plain, City of N. Tonawanda, Medina, Saranac Lake, Dutchess County, Fulton Co., Hornell District, # issued: 113 638 248 213 3780 1851 619 Allegany County, Yates County 1518 686 Second row: Patchogue, Inwood, Lawrence, Cedarhurst, Woodmere and Hewlett, Lovejoy, N.Y.State Svc. N.Y. State WW1 Svc. 166 659 (1 medal for 5 localities.) N/A N/A 427,871 N.Y. Mills, Tarrytown, Town of Warwick, Nyack N/A 239 100 183 Third row: La Salle and Niagara, Scotia, Glen Cove, Naples, Mt. Vernon, Rensselaer, City of Saratoga Springs, 172 180 357 47 1,760 446 543 Town of Stillwater, Barryville and New Village 40 N/A Fourth row: City of Kingston, City of Canadaigua, City of Utica, Town of Salem, Persia, Cattaraugus County, 1,100 303 3,879 45 90 Eastern District of Wayne County, City of Salamanca, Towns of Glen & Mohawk, Town of Hamburg N/A 382 120 131 Mike, Excellent selection of NY state medals. There are some really rare ones in there which are nice to see "in the flesh" so to speak. Thanks for posting them. I'm looking forward to seeing some of the other states. Dennis
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #68 Posted November 2, 2021 More New York Local medals. First row, left to right Locality: Middletown, Wyoming County, Chenago County, Madison County, Ulster County, Lockport, Granville, # issued: 759 1,259 1,441 1,629 3,089 878 125 Tioga County, City of Watervliet. 998 662 Second row: City of Rochester, Village of Ossining, The Rockaways, Essex County, Tompkins County, City of Troy 12,185 442 N/A 1,313 1,453 2,967 Steuben County, Walden, City of Schenectady 3,522 226 3,656 Third row: City of Albany, County of Albany, City of Little Falls, City of Oswego, Lewis County, City of Rome 4,670 7,668 537 973 977 1.085 Central Orleans County, Clinton County, City of Cohoes 404 1,809 947 Fourth row: City of Fulton, City of Dunkirk, Village of Lancaster, Seneca County, City of Cortland, City of Lackawanna 537 797 250 1,019 548 738 City of Newburgh, Otsego County, Town of Westfield 1,251 1,903 140
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #69 Posted November 2, 2021 Thank you Dennis. Please feel free to add more info, numbers issued etc, if you have it. One more of a few NY, Mass and PA. medals. Top row: City of Chicopee, Mass. City of Easton, Penn. Town of Westminster, Mass. Town of Gardner, Mass. 1,492 1,393 55 699 Bottom row: Town of Haverstraw NY, Village of Carthage NY, Town of Corinth, Saratoga County, NY, Greenport L.I. NY 215 178 106 129 Lynbrook NY 180
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #70 Posted November 2, 2021 Some Pennsylvania local medals. Top row, left to right: St Mary’s Welcome Home medal, Allentown & Lehigh Co. Doylestown Red Cross, Meadville, PA NG State Svc. N/A 6,102 158 600 City of Chester, City of Harrisburg, Kutztown, Lancaster 2,390 3,127 111 2,190 Second row: Sharon, City of Hanover, Brookville, Mt Carmel, Lansdale, Carnegie, Sewickly, Union County. 896 356 135 719 195 477 204 653 Borough of Sunbury 648 Third row: Middletown, Irwin, Homestead District, Blair Co. Welcome Home, Hazelton, Fayetteville County-Connellsville, 243 133 843 5,287 1,329 7,750 Washington & Welcome Home pin, City of Dubois, Borough of Milton 85 564 355 Fourth row: Borough of Bangor, Northern Cambria Co., Mifflin Co., South Fork, Wayne Co., City of Bethlehem, 223 N/A 1,295 175. 1,130 2,075 Carbondale, Monroe County, Jeanette 768 1,001 438
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #71 Posted November 2, 2021 A note about the previous post. I’ve noticed that the posts don’t always turn out like they appear when you hit the “submit”button. The third row, first medal is Middletown, 243 issued. Also Fayette County- Connellsville, 7750 issued. Not Fayetteville, Spell check got me on that one.
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #72 Posted November 2, 2021 Medals from Massachusetts: Top row left to right: Town of Southbridge, Town of Ipswich, City of Fall River, Town of West Springfield, City of Malden, 587 255 4,694 553 2,023 City of Newburyport, City of Beverly, Town of Maynard, City of Springfield 643 930 292 5,340 Second row: Town of Milton, City of Attleboro, Town of North Attleboro, Town of Monson, Town of Bourne, 384 813 381 199 104 Third row: Town of Abington, Town of Gardner, Town of Fairhaven, Town of Falmouth, City of Marlboro, 238 699 300 144 619 City of Peabody, City of Somerville, Town of Hadley, Ashland 806 3,835 228 96
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #73 Posted November 2, 2021 Medals from New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Maine, Vermont and Massachusetts: Top row: Town of Claremont N.H., City of Manchester N.H., Lancaster N.H., Town of East Greenwich R.I. 392 3,229 90 136 Town of Bristol R.I. Town of Westerly R.I. City of Newport R.I. 469 410 1,247 Second row: Kinnebunkport Maine, City of Biddeford ME, City of Westbrook ME, City of Saco ME, N/A 742 389 281 City of Barre Vermont, Rutland and Rutland County VT, Town of Coventry RI 412 727 234 Third row: Town of Norton Massachusetts, Buckland & Shelbourne MA, Town of Reading MA, Town of Medway MA, 98 120 306 122 Town of Holden MA, Town of Palmer MA, City of New Bedford MA, 122 408 4,994 Fourth row: Town of Northbridge MA, North Adams MA (Incorrect ribbon), Town of Ludlow MA, 419 918 308 Town of Marblehead MA, Adams & East Hoosuck MA, Town of Winchester MA, 302 523 432
mikes militaria Posted November 2, 2021 #74 Posted November 2, 2021 Virginia Medals: First picture: County of Norfolk (obverse), City of Norfolk (reverse), City of Roanoke (obverse), 9,374 6,418 2,095 City of Richmond (obverse), County of Loudoun (obverse) 7,072 847 Second picture: County of Norfolk (reverse), City of Norfolk (reverse), City of Roanoke (reverse) City of Richmond (reverse), County of Loudoun (reverse) Third picture: City of Winchester & County of Frederick (obverse), Co. of Rockingham & City of Harrisonburg (obverse) 797 1,238 Portsmouth (obverse), Newport News (obverse) 2,240 1,467 Fourth picture: City of Winchester & Co. of Frederick (reverse), Co. of Rockingham & City of Harrisonburg (reverse) Portsmouth (reverse), Newport News (reverse)
everforward Posted November 2, 2021 #75 Posted November 2, 2021 1 hour ago, mikes militaria said: Virginia Medals: First picture: County of Norfolk (obverse), City of Norfolk (reverse), City of Roanoke (obverse), 9,374 6,418 2,095 City of Richmond (obverse), County of Loudoun (obverse) 7,072 847 Second picture: County of Norfolk (reverse), City of Norfolk (reverse), City of Roanoke (reverse) City of Richmond (reverse), County of Loudoun (reverse) Third picture: City of Winchester & County of Frederick (obverse), Co. of Rockingham & City of Harrisonburg (obverse) 797 1,238 Portsmouth (obverse), Newport News (obverse) 2,240 1,467 Fourth picture: City of Winchester & Co. of Frederick (reverse), Co. of Rockingham & City of Harrisonburg (reverse) Portsmouth (reverse), Newport News (reverse) I just want to say that you have an amazing collection of State and County medals, well done. I have a specific question about your Virginia medal collection (since I live here too 😊)……how complete would you say your Virginia collection is..? Are there many others you know of but haven’t found yet..? I’m just wondering how spotty the participation may have been with localities issuing the medals….thanks.
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