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there is a guy on Facebook who asked about these 2 covers. from what i have been told and have observed the one with the beach side saw teeth connected at the top is no good. i told him this and got a ear full. i would like some opinions from here. are there exceptions to that rule. he had this to say(Boy! I don’t know.1 of these I got from a Marine who lost his leg on Saipan and another from an Iwo Vet who was missing a hand. You may be right! But it sure doesn ‘t mesh that these combat veterans would have reproduction covers! I mean were repros even made back in 1960 and before ? That is when I got them!What was the need? Real ones were everywhere.I am anxious to get some other opinions! thanks for your input!) i told him.(i have said all I have to say. there are several resources other than Facebook to research your stuff. enjoy and please join some forums buy some books.) i even left a link to this forum. well he got mad and told me this.(

If I held an opinion that was contradicted by the original USMC Depot schematic drawing for helmet covers,I would do exactly what you are doing:

1) I would say I done with the issue

2)I would suggest that someone whose opinion contradicted mine read more books and”branch out”

3)I would under no circumstances address the respects in which the original cover schematic undermines my opinion!

4)I would accuse the person who disagrees with me of basing his conclusions on shallow, narrow resources.

5) I would accuse the person who disagrees with me of not reading books and not belonging to appropriate forums

6)I would not directly address the respects in which the original schematic contradicts my postion(oh! I already said that)

7)I would allude to”several other resources” but I would not identify them.

You suggest I am an uninformed novice in the field. Actually I am 71 years old and have collected for 61 of those years .I acquired my covers long before reproductions were made. I have known 100s of USMC WW2 veterans. My father was a highly decorated USMC Officer in WW2.I have a USMC related library that consists of over 200 volumes. I have an extensive personal papers file at the USMC Archives. I have done original research that has received mention in scholarly publications.(For example , check out the footnotes in the Peleliu chapter of Hoffman’s book on Chesty Puller) I located the 2/1 War Diary which was missing for over 50 years upon which LAST MAN STANDING was based. And the bottom line is your position is simply not supported by the schematic or the many experts who have deemed my covers original.Notably, You do not identify the elusive “several sources “which you claim support your conclusion. You just recite here-say.In short,You position is based on what you were told. I produced the original USMC DEPOT schematic for covers and it refutes your opinion . Your response: I should read more and expand my cyber scholarship!

I can thoroughly understand why you would declare:”I have said all I have to say”

Now I will give you my recommendations :familiarize yourself with the basic tenets of scholarship and intellectual integrity! Enjoy!) 

the diagram in white is what he is saying says the connected stitch is ok. pleas help me and let me know was i wrong?

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I believe the initial posted covers are original USMC covers from early 1950s production. If i remember correctly that stitching on both sides is a distinguishing feature on the 50s production. However, members who have 50s covers will hopefully comment as i do not have one of the later covers.

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32 minutes ago, Dave T said:

I believe the initial posted covers are original USMC covers from early 1950s production. If i remember correctly that stitching on both sides is a distinguishing feature on the 50s production. However, members who have 50s covers will hopefully comment as i do not have one of the later covers.

 

This is correct (see attached photo - Blue Anchor, 1953 contract), however these covers didn't have the buttonhole present on the flaps, same as @jeeplover's cover. 

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Yes, correct, but  Jeeplover posted 2 covers and I see that one of them (the example with 71 and button holes) appears to be a good WWII cover.

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20 minutes ago, Dave T said:

Yes, correct, but  Jeeplover posted 2 covers and I see that one of them (the example with 71 and button holes) appears to be a good WWII cover.

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Agreed, it is a WWII cover. Sorry, photos are a bit jumbled, so it was hard to make heads or tails of what was what. 

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9 minutes ago, MasonK said:

 

Agreed, it is a WWII cover. Sorry, photos are a bit jumbled, so it was hard to make heads or tails of what was what. 

Yes, i have to admit the jumbled photos also threw me off🥴

I had to go back and take another look.

Jeeplover, in conclusion it seems your Facebook friend has 2 good covers. 1 from the 50s and another from WWII era.

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jeeplover

theses are not mine they belong to a gentlemen on face book. so you guys think both are real just one is post ww2 and one is not? if the teeth are connected on the beach side it could be fine just not ww2 vintage?

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22 hours ago, jeeplover said:

theses are not mine they belong to a gentlemen on face book. so you guys think both are real just one is post ww2 and one is not? if the teeth are connected on the beach side it could be fine just not ww2 vintage?

 

Correct. Seems to be a match for a post-war Blue Anchor cover. Ask the individual if there is a contract stamp, or remnants of one, on one of the beach side flaps. 

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jeeplover

i was removed from the group because the owner could not stop getting mad and was trolling so i did it back. all i did was tell him instead of touting your knowledge why not try and learn something new. i was not the only person to tell him it was bad/ of not ww2. i was the only one he targeted. oh well if that is how they run there group it is garbage. he tried to act like he was right as rain i only pointed out he said the covers were from vets so they had to be ww2. well they are not and he says he has been collecting for 61 years well if he has that is sorry he can not identify a ww2 from Korean cover. i dabble in usmc stuff and i was able to say it is not ww2. so he just needs to educate him self. have a good day gentlemen and thanks for all of the help as always.

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jeeplover

i was thinking this is a case of buy the item not the story. it really helps to have a place to go to and have reasonable people look at the stuff. i never thought the guy was lying but i thought he was unsure of where he got it. my wife grandfather was in Korea . he went and bought a m1 wanted a bayonet i got him one. when he passes someone is going to say i got these from a Korean war vet. well it is true but info is missing that the family might not know like when he obtained the items. things will be asked (is this his rifle from the war?) (the family will say don't know could be.) now this rifle combo becomes a bring back. that is why it is important to buy the item not the story. people give vets stuff all of the time because we respect them. so remember just because it is from a vet does not mean it was his. if he says it was still buy the item people get confused. thank you guys for all of your help you are a valuable resource

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