hiram392 Posted September 14, 2021 Share #1 Posted September 14, 2021 I am a board member of a county Historical Society, in Ohio. I am trying to create a display of medals received for our county's most decorated soldier. (James A. Ducey) I do not have much in the way of service files to accessor refer to. I have a photo of medals he has received, in no particular order. (TOP) They include: 2nd DIV. AEF medal, WW 2 Victory medal, USMC Expeditionary medal #717 (APR 1931), (BOTTOM) Good Conduct medal (8 awards), French Battle of Verdun medal. WW 1 Victory medal w/5 bars, Croix de Guerre (2) awards, a VFW member medal, Silver Star (2) Awards, and an Expert pistol badge. Any assistance is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 14, 2021 Share #2 Posted September 14, 2021 That is an absolutely stellar group of medals! The proper prescience would be: Silver Star Good Conduct Medal WW1 Victory Marine Expeditionary WW2 Victory >> French Croix de Guerre Verdun Medal 2nd Division Medal VFW Medal Marksman badge I added the ">>" as if it were me, I would display them in two rows of five, with the federal awards separate from the foreign, association, and marksman awards. We'd love to see a photo of the reverse of the Silver Star and the Good Conduct, for certain, if you'd be willing to share! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted September 14, 2021 Here are the reverse. Ribbons are pretty frail. Was wondering if original medals might be able to be reset with new ribbons. Should I clean and polish the bars on Good Conduct and WW1 Victory medals as well as medals themselves. Am hoping to get these into a shadow box along with other items. He retired as a CWO in 1948. Initially enlisted in 1917. Only paperwork I have are copies of multiple enlistment and discharge forms that also reference Good Conduct award. Was able to find a couple of items online pertaining to Silver Stars. 1st award he was a Sergeant with 18th Company, Fifth Regiment (Marines), 2nd Div. A.E.F. at Chateau- Thierry, France 6 June-10 July, 1918. 2nd award he was a Sergeant with 18th Company, Fifth Regiment (Marines), 2nd Div. A.E.F. at Soissons, France 18-22 July, 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCR79 Posted September 14, 2021 Share #4 Posted September 14, 2021 What number is on the edge of his Good Conduct Medal? Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1903 Posted September 14, 2021 Share #5 Posted September 14, 2021 Do not re-ribbon them, or clean or polish them, leave them as they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share #6 Posted September 14, 2021 Thanks, for the input. I am hoping to at least straighten the attachments on the Good Conduct medal. His name is etched on the 2nd Division medal as well as the Silver Star. By having 2 awards of the Silver Star, I believe there should be a gold star device attached to the ribbon? I will have to make a run up to the museum next time I go to town to locate the number on the Good Conduct medal. We also have a couple of larger Croix de Guerre citations hanging in our military room. I need to get a closer look at them to see if there is additional info on them. Anyone know what the acronym CdG-G, and B stand for on the smaller citation I attached? I know the CdG portion, just not sure about the rest. Not really sure if there are other awards he received. One citation mentions a bronze star, I believe. Have been working with my local Veterans Service office, but it is slow going getting anything from above. Girl in the office said that archives group is at about 10% of normal staffing since COVID. It may be a year or more to get his service records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted September 14, 2021 Share #7 Posted September 14, 2021 What you want to do when you mount them in a display is pin them to an acid-free cloth backing, then lift the planchet of the medals a bit and stitch a few loops around the suspension ring to the backing. This will take the weight of the planchets off the ribbons. You can also pin the bars of the GCM through the backing. If you don't do this, then long term, you're going to eventually have the ribbons fray and weaken, and be torn through by the weight of the planchets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermanus Posted September 15, 2021 Share #8 Posted September 15, 2021 My best guess for CdG-G and B is: Croix de Guerre - Gold and Bronze star. The Bronze star attachment is a French Regiment level award, the Gold star is a Division level award. Regards Herman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted September 15, 2021 Hermanus, that was my initial thought, also. I also saw reference to a bronze palm leaf. However stars make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1903 Posted September 15, 2021 Share #10 Posted September 15, 2021 I'm not too far from Hiram, I may have to stop and see them in person when I'm out that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share #11 Posted September 15, 2021 Hermanus, that was my initial thought, also. I also saw reference to a bronze palm leaf. However stars make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 15, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted September 15, 2021 M1903- Our museum is in Washington Court House. USMCR79 - number of GCM is 21550. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katieony Posted September 16, 2021 Share #13 Posted September 16, 2021 Really great group of medals! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMCR79 Posted September 16, 2021 Share #14 Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, hiram392 said: M1903- Our museum is in Washington Court House. USMCR79 - number of GCM is 21550. Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share #15 Posted September 17, 2021 Saw this picture online. Not sure who he is. Looks to be a LT. Dave, posted earlier a list for precedence. Looking at this photo, I am seeing a different order. Judging by what I have in hand vs picture I am seeing what I believe to be... Silver Star, Croix de Guerre, WW 1 Victory Ribbon, Good Conduct (rifle above medal?), not sure??, 2nd Division medal, Purple Heart, possibly Battle of Verdun medal and not sure about last. He also has a French Fourragere braid as well as a 2nd Division shoulder patch. Maybe I should use this as an example for my display? Thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collectsmedals Posted September 17, 2021 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2021 For what it is worth I would go with the regulation prescribed order of precedence, but its hard to argue with a period photograph. Either was it is an outstanding group, congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share #17 Posted September 18, 2021 Regs I have looked at don't seem to have early ribbons and medals listed. I would think that a shave tail would have his "stuff" together and in proper order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share #18 Posted September 18, 2021 Guy I am trying to get info on was in WW 1 & WW 2, USMC. So I have a mix of old and older medals. Most are WW 1, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted September 18, 2021 Share #19 Posted September 18, 2021 On 9/15/2021 at 6:19 PM, hiram392 said: Hermanus, that was my initial thought, also. I also saw reference to a bronze palm leaf. However stars make more sense. The Marine in the photo has a large oak leaf on his SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Linz Posted September 18, 2021 Share #20 Posted September 18, 2021 I think you mean the Purple Heart has a large oak leaf cluster on it. I wonder if the Purple Heart is with the group. A truly stunning group to a brave Marine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brig Posted September 18, 2021 Share #21 Posted September 18, 2021 In WWI and WWII, Marines being often drafted and rushed to combat were usually not familiar with uniform regs and pinned the medals on in the order they earned them instead of precedence, so unless you have an original photo I would recommend following the uniform regulations. That said, the regulations changed from WWI to WWII...specifically, the placement of the Good Conduct Medal, which was originally at the end of the order before being moved up. So since he had WWII awards, I'd follow WWII precedence, which I believe is the same as today's Keep in mind that the 2nd Division and VFW medals were not military regulation awards, and thus won't be found on any precedence charts or regulation manuals and should probably just go on the end of the row. I would go 2nd Division followed by VFW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriarChuck Posted September 18, 2021 Share #22 Posted September 18, 2021 I believe your unknown medals that bookend the Marine LTs bottom row are the Pennsylvania World War Federal Service Medal on the photos left and the Chateau-Thierry Medal in the far right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share #23 Posted September 20, 2021 Folks, things just got a bit more complicated. Was back at the museum yesterday and found this case of my guy's ribbons. It looks like there are multiple sets here. Also see an officer chinstrap with gold/silver and subdued AGE's. He retired as a Warrant Officer. I see the bursting shells that should tell me he was a Gunner, correct? I see insignias for WO1-Marine as well as Navy, I believe. I also see Army GCM as well as a section of ribbon for Germany Occupation with a bar that says France on it. Not sure what the small black object is just below the chinstrap, on the left side. Small object above the strap is a very small AGE pin. Yeah, I know it is a mess right now, but this is what I wanted to do. I want to make a presentation that truly honors him. Any input is appreciated. What I really need is to be able to get his service record. Have been in touch with Croix de Guerre folks and have sent them pix of his citation and medal and one of the ribbons, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriarChuck Posted September 20, 2021 Share #24 Posted September 20, 2021 Can you take some close up photos of the ribbon bars please? And a close up of his victory medal. It looks the upper right bar includes the French medals from Chateau Thierry and St Mihiel. I know you don’t have those as full medals but based on the number of clasps on his victory medal and the fact that he has the Verdun medal he was probably eligible for both. Very respectfully, Friar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram392 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share #25 Posted September 21, 2021 FriarChuck. Here is Victory medal. I believe there should be 2 silver stars attached based on citation I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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