27Division18 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #1 Posted July 11, 2021 Can anyone identify this bayonet? Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted July 11, 2021 Share #2 Posted July 11, 2021 Quick guess would be either a US 1855, or later 1873. Hard to tell from the photos. FYI, a whole lot of 1855s had the barrel "rings" (for lack of a better word) hammered down from .58 caliber size to the .45-70 caliber for the 1873 rifles. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widukind1971 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #3 Posted July 11, 2021 Good guess I think. The M1873 being made from the M1855 by cold-pressing (according to Hardin) is almost identical. But the socket of the M1873 is - because of the cold-pressing - a bit smaller than the original M1855 socket. The outside diameter of the M1855 = 23,5 mm = 0,925197 inch and M1873 = 22,4 mm = 0,881890 inch according to Kiesling. So, if your bayonet isn’t too rusty, you could check it with a caliper. Picture is of my own M1855. I tried to duplicate your last photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4 Posted July 11, 2021 My 1855 only measures .925195, mine must be fake.😁 Actually the old rule is: if a penny falls through the socket, it's an 1855. If the penny gets stuck in the socket, it's an 1873. The scabbard you show is for the 1873. The next consideration is that there are several socket bayonets that look very similar to both bayonets under consideration. It might be a Remington export bayonet, a Peabody model 1867, etc. My guess is the Springfield 1873. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widukind1971 Posted July 12, 2021 Share #5 Posted July 12, 2021 HI Marv, Yep, then it must be a fake and by the way, is a penny the same size as a 5 eurocent coin 😉? Mine is actually 23,5 mm, so I always took it as a M1855 in a M1873 scabbard. I did check the Remington Exports in the Janzen book but it seemed that they were not marked US on the blade which seems logical. Was the Peabody M1867 not mainly for export also? But I have to agree, American bayonets (especially the American civil war saber bayonets) are pretty difficult to determine by absence of markings - and indeed - many look very much alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widukind1971 Posted July 12, 2021 Share #6 Posted July 12, 2021 With the Janzen book I mean 'Bayonets of the Remington Cartridge Period' and not his Notebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted July 12, 2021 Share #7 Posted July 12, 2021 Widukind1971 Thanks for the correction about the export bayonets. No US. As I was scrolling through the pictures, I mistook your photo of the Pennsylvania National Guard scabbard for one of 27division18's pictures. A US ONE CENT coin is .75 inch with a little wear they measure .749 inch. Thanks, Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sactroop Posted July 12, 2021 Share #8 Posted July 12, 2021 19,025-19,05mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widukind1971 Posted July 12, 2021 Share #9 Posted July 12, 2021 Thank you both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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