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Incredible research, I really appreciate it!  The knowledge and skill on this forum never fails to amaze me.  Thank you for finding pictures, I intend to display them, alongside a brief writeup of douglas’s career, with his flight helmet once I find a way to get it all to fit together.

 

 

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Vark_07

You are most perfectly welcome, CavalryCombatant 🙂.

Awesome research, Aznation !

 

4 hours ago, CavalryCombatant said:

I was honestly on the fence about the goggles, I actually had no idea they were rigger modified or rare, but I figured that they’d complete the look.

Let's just say that the USN B-8 sets (from WW2 and post-WW2) are harder to come by than the more common USAAF ones ; and even harder when looking for the specific ones modified with snaps during the 50's for H-3 / H-4 sets.

Here's a picture of the same (these ones made by Rochester Optical) modified USN B-8 goggles to illustrate - you can also notice the 2 front straps / snaps that are missing to your cloth liner. Another picture from the "Bridges at Toko-Ri" movie. I think you get the idea now !

 

4 hours ago, CavalryCombatant said:

I also forgot to include the contents of the goggles box, which I didn’t get a chance to look at until I got home.  Not exactly sure what it all is, but if I understand it correctly theres a microphone holder, some NOS padding of some sort presumably for the flight helmet and I believe foam pads for the cloth helmet.

You are correct, the tan pads are NOS cheek sizing pads for the H-3 / H-4 rigid shell (check inside the rigid shell, same as the ones you have inside), and the circular green ones look like spares for the cloth liner.

You've also got an extra tilting "C-bracket" meant to hold a boom mike (although I don't see it on the pictures I'm positive this is the same that's mounted on the side of the rigid shell you own), this kind of bracket was still in use with the more modern APH-5 and APH-6 helmets throughout the 60's and 70's.

 

Finally, from what I see (but I'm pretty unsure about this one), you've also got what I believe to be a pair of spare "T-straps" for the mask in the case it would be fitted with the alternative A-13A / MS-22001 hardshell nose retention (same as mine) that was also encountered during this late 50's era with these USN masks' sets. If this was to be the case, it would be missing the buckles, hardshell of course, and V-shaped 2-snap retentions on both sides.

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4 hours ago, CavalryCombatant said:


As requested, the flight jacket.  If you happen to know when this was made, it’d be greatly appreciated.
 

My apologies for the bad photos, didn’t feel like setting up a backdrop.

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the WEP jacket was basically a flying suit liner but was worn as a flight hackt by both Navy and Marines. There were trousers as well. The Spec on this one puts it in the early to mid 60s  Mil S 18342C I recall was frpm 1964

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3 hours ago, CavalryCombatant said:

Incredible research, I really appreciate it!  The knowledge and skill on this forum never fails to amaze me.  Thank you for finding pictures, I intend to display them, alongside a brief writeup of douglas’s career, with his flight helmet once I find a way to get it all to fit together.

 

You're welcome.  Glad I could help.  Awesome grouping by the way!  -- Matt

 

1 hour ago, Vark_07 said:

You are most perfectly welcome, CavalryCombatant 🙂.

Awesome research, Aznation !

 

Thank you Vark_07.  I appreciate the comment!  -- Matt

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Great followup by the group. The C bracket was indeed used to modify tempoaraily hard shell helmets for a boom mic to fly Huey's for instance or T-28's. I was issued one in 70 for that purpose.  The jacket was indeed the upper half of a cold weather flight suit and was worn as a flight jacket instead of the leather jacket. I got mine in 68.. Jackets have both a green lining and a tan lining. Great stuff. 

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CavalryCombatant

Thanks everyone for the kind words!  I’m so excited to getting a display put together and seeing it all together as it should be.

 

Now the million dollar question, how do I actually display the flight helmet?  Right now it’s sitting on a helmet stand, but I want to end up having the o2 mask and the cloth helmet on display as well, the only issue is that my mannequin heads are too big for the set (size small) to fit.  
 

I love the idea of displaying it on a mannequin head, but do companies make smaller ones? Perhaps a female mannequin head would work?  Maybe I should just cutdown a normal foam one until it fits?  
 

I’m not entirely sure, I’d love to hear others’ input.
 

I was debating asking this in the display section, but figured it’d be good to ask here first.

 

 

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Yeah, it's a small size, I concur it won't fit on most mannequin heads.
For what it's worth, I have bought on Am**on France a couple of PVC display busts the size of a child's (I won't be putting a commercial link on the forum, I guess you'll find them back quite easily in the USA with the picture).
 

This display bust was actually a little too small for my medium-size H-4 set, but I put a few pieces of cloth on the top of the skull to "stuff" it, and now it fits just fine ; very stable and quite heavy compared to a foam head.
Your set being a small size, no wonder it will do the trick !

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43 minutes ago, CavalryCombatant said:

Maybe I should just cutdown a normal foam one until it fits?  
 

 

Some of the helmet and headphone pads are vinyl and if they come into contact with foam, things can get damaged. Check out  https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/216143-solving-problem-with-styrofoam-head-display/

 

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I’ve actually seen those PVC ones in the past, didn’t realize they were a smaller size.  
 

I love the way your H-4 looks on it, the black really compliments the flight helmet and equipment.  I think I’ll probably be going down this route too, as I found a couple for a pretty reasonable price.

 

1 hour ago, Bob Hudson said:

 

Some of the helmet and headphone pads are vinyl and if they come into contact with foam, things can get damaged. Check out  https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/216143-solving-problem-with-styrofoam-head-display/

 


I’ve actually read a similar thread in the past, hence why I wasn’t overly into the idea of using a foam head.  Very interesting solution though, I might just have to do that to the heads I’ve got currently.
 

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8 minutes ago, CavalryCombatant said:

I love the way your H-4 looks on it, the black really compliments the flight helmet and equipment.

Thanks, and glad I could be of help 😉.

This is actually for that aesthetic matter that all my flight helmets are displayed on black display heads (PVC, black-painted acrylic resin, or black-flocked styrofoam ; white styrofoam or clear PVC doesn't look as good IMO). Besides, I've found that the flocking coating on the styro heads I bought seems to cancel the hazardous vinyl / styrofoam interaction, for I've never had any problem so far in 4 years.

 

Now I'm looking forward to seeing this H-4 set of yours properly diaplayed !

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Quick little update;

 

I looked over the O2 mask, and it’s got three dates, the latest of which is “56” which I assume indicates it’s year of manufacture.

 

I also was looking closer at the goggles the other day and their marked “USN” and American Optical on the top, and 1958 on the side.

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Vark_07

Regarding the mask, not really 😁.

It's actually the "dotting" pattern that will indicate the mfg. date.

That would be the month for these old masks, each year on the pie chart sports 12 small boxes (the chart was simplfied by quarters around the 70's).

 

Example below with my early APH-5's MS-22001 mask from the same late 50's era to help you date your mask (disclaimer : by the time I wrote this review, I didn't know how to read the pie chart, so I used to be puzzled too).
 

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The last dot present on the pie chart is the month during which it was manufactured : you can see that the years 54 and 55 are fully filled, and there are 2 dots only on the year 56. So it's February 1956 with my example.

As for the goggles, like I told you, you are lucky to have the specific USN version of the B-8 (these were also manufactured by Polaroid and Rochester Optical).

That includes the "USN" markings, of course.

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Wayward Son

CC,

 

Thanks for carrying on CDR Nygard's Naval Aviator legacy by preserving his flight gear. His records show that he was an exemplary man.

 

Bradford

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