Jump to content

First pattern Lux pilot-opinions


warguy
 Share

Recommended Posts

Looking for your thoughts on the First pattern Lux pilot. I think it is good, but just wanted to hear from some of you out there specializing in wings. Hope the pics are okay. Thanks in advance!

IMG_1582.JPG

IMG_1583.JPG

IMG_1584.JPG

IMG_1585.JPG

IMG_1586.JPG

IMG_1587.JPG

IMG_1588.JPG

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The wings appear OK to me but the main pin and hinge pin are obvious replacements.

 

Regards

Mike

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks Mike, I have seen other examples with a silver colored pin, is that why you think the pin has been replaced?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Lux 1st patterns are generally (?only) found with a chamfered (at the hinge end) silver coloured main pin. Other manufacturers certainly used brass coloured pins as standard. The hinge pin replacement/repair with a non-standard main pin to me points to both being replaced. Others may differ in opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thank you again Mark. I sure can’t see a repair, must have been done by a jeweler maybe, the workmanship was very good when examining the solder and base of the hinge. I appreciate your thoughts and welcome anyone else to offer an opinion on this wing. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5thwingmarty

I am curious as to what happened to the face of this wing.  It reminds me of many of the Bell Navigator wings with the raised specs.  I have not noticed other Luxenberg wings with these specs on the face.  There should be detail lines in the recessed vertical stripes on the shield but I don't see those.  They may be there but just not in focus or whatever caused the specs may have obliterated the detail lines.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah I don’t know what the specs are either. I can tell you in hand, they don’t show like they do in the photos. I assume it might be residue from old cleaning, but I agree I have never really seen anything like that. I thought about gently scrubbing with a soft toothbrush and dish soap but don’t usually touch my wings as far as cleaning. The little incised lines are present in the stripes in the shield but there is a lot of dark tarnish in there camouflaging it. 

 

I have collected for over over thirty years and have been in and out of focusing on AAF material including wings. I am now jumping back into the wings again and reading a lot, looking at old threads, etc. I have owned these Lux wings for a few years, bought from a good friend and dealer who doesn’t specialize in wings but is an honest guy. During all my reading, and re-examining my collection, I noticed first the brass pin and different hinge on these. Then after reading a post by Mtnman about buying a cast wing a few years ago, I started worrying whether this wing might be cast. As I said in the original post, I no longer feel that way especially after examining the photos and looking closer at the wing in sunlight. I can see old evidence of some of the original frosting and the details like the makers mark, etc I think look crisp. There was a couple little bubble looking areas on the back just to the right of the shield depression but I have seen this same imperfection on other Lux wings. It doesn’t show well in the pics, but there is also a small scrape or divet on the front of the shield that concerned me, but after further examination, I think it might be some slight damage, a scrape or hit if that makes sense. It is small. 

 

Anyway, full disclosure on my midnight anxieties. Again, let me know what you think on cast v. Struck, and the pin issue on the back. Did the wings contracted by Lux ever have a different pin or were they always the same? If it is a repair, it was once again done very well, and appears to me the work might have been done a long time ago as I can’t see any evidence of any bright solder at all. But a repair is a repair as far as value goes. Thanks again. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5thwingmarty

I don't see anything that screams cast to me.  I don't know what caused the specs but that does not indicate being cast to me.  I don't have a Lux Pilot to directly compare to, but per Bob's website the one shown there is listed as being 3-1/16" in span.  If your wing is cast, I would anticipate it being short of 3" in span.

 

As far as the pin, with the odd hinge pin for the brass pin, I am guessing that this wing lost it's original cammed silver pin and someone took a brass pin from another wing and installed it with a bit of wire for a new hinge pin.  That would explain the lack of any evidence of new soldier on the fittings.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here are some new pics after a mild bath. I learned that the light box works better I think than outdoor shots. In the first image, you can see the small scrape on the shield here three stripes left from the right side of shield. It is linear and crosses two of the stripes in the shield with some very light surface scratches so I am pretty certain it was just scraped in wear or sometime over the years. 

IMG_1589.JPG

IMG_1593.JPG

IMG_1595.JPG

IMG_1596.JPG

IMG_1597.JPG

IMG_1598.JPG

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It sure looks good to me.  I suspect the pin is a replacement as Marty pointed out.  From what I can see, it looks very nice.  Compares well with mine.  These wings were not mirror finished and there are some digs and dots that show up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks Marty so much for the contributions. I have checked out the ones on Bobs site, that is a great reference. These measure exactly 3 1/16 inches wing tip to wing tip. I gave them a light wash and am really happy with the results. The specks went away and there was more grime than I realized trapped in the crevasses. I am pleased with the results and the tarnish for the most part remains but it is a more appealing wing now for sure. I might try a couple more pics with different lighting. Your explanation of the replacement pin makes sense. Would have taken some talent to get it right, but I bet that was what was done. Bummed about the pin replacement but feeling more confident with the wing. Thanks again.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, pfrost said:

It sure looks good to me.  I suspect the pin is a replacement as Marty pointed out.  From what I can see, it looks very nice.  Compares well with mine.  These wings were not mirror finished and there are some digs and dots that show up.

Thanks again, I know you guys know your stuff and I sure appreciate your help! 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kropotkin

Hello all,

What are your opinions of this example? Looks good to me, but with Luxenbergs I’m prone to tread carefully (added to which the photos are not the best).

0488df0088610180c670e195bd9aac72.jpeg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

bschwartz

Looks good to me although the pictures aren't doing it any favors.  That frosting on the back is always nice to see.  One tip with Luxenbergs is to study the actual Luxenberg hallmark.  That cursive script at the top tends to react very poorly when people make cast versions of the wings.  This example has a little extra flashing on one tip and a little discoloration on the other tip but it looks like an authentic example.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kropotkin

Thanks, Bob. Great to get a second opinion from someone much more knowledgeable than I on these potentially problematic wings.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
Kropotkin

Received these wings today. Definitely original in hand, so I’m very happy at getting my first Luxenberg.

What appeared to be flashing on the left wingtip in the above photos is a dink where the wings were perhaps dropped at some point. Other than that, it’s a lovely example.

Thanks again for the second opinion!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...