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dhcoleterracina

I'll take that as a yes assuming these also came from the SOS. Very nice stuff. 

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12 minutes ago, dhcoleterracina said:

I'll take that as a yes assuming these also came from the SOS. Very nice stuff. 

Actually there were very few American flags there. Lots of the German stuff including the usual fakes. I usually end up with eight or 10 different flags at SOS. This year I only found the four I pictured earlier. The Japanese flags were a separate purchase after the show unrelated. That’s a size 6 imperial Japanese Navy ensign and the matching size 4 bow Jack. Three or four years ago there was a collector at SOS who specialized in Japanese flags. I wish I had spent more time with him (if anyone remembers him and has his contact information I would appreciate it. )He had a couple of interesting ones as I recall that I would like to obtain in the future. A lot of these Japanese flag seem to go under the radar which is nice. Their flags were well-made and all constructed by hand. Every stitch is hand sewn even on the giant flags. 

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So did the Japanese have a similar numbering system too? I inherited a large Japanese rising sun flag from the family. It has the leather corners so I don't think it was ship connected. 

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3 hours ago, dhcoleterracina said:

So did the Japanese have a similar numbering system too? I inherited a large Japanese rising sun flag from the family. It has the leather corners so I don't think it was ship connected. 

On the navy flags there was a small paper tag sewn onto the flag indicating where it was made. There’s a Japanese flag expert on the warrelics site who has been giving feedback on some of these flags for me. The flags were sewn by the wives of sailors and NCO’s by contract. Each ship carried a large number because the flags were worn out fairly quickly at sea. 
 

sizes on the naval flags were determined by the number of bands of material sewn together to make the hoist of the flag. For example if you look at my rising sun flag you will see there are six bands of fabric sewn lengthwise to create the flag. The meatball flag or the jack consist of four bands of fabric. The largest naval flag was a size 8, or eight bands of fabric. This makes it easy to correctly measure the size of IJN flags. 
 

your leather cornered flag would be a land based flag. 

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Naval Gunkan-ki Sizes by Nick Komyla

No definite sizes were given for the Gunkan-Ki in the above specs, because various sizes were to be prepared, according to the size of the vessels. The navy used flags in 6 sizes. Material size for flags was flexible in the lateral direction of the flag ( X ), but as the width of the standard bolt of cloth was limited to approx 45 cm, the various sizes in the longitudinal direction ( Y ) of the flag required parallel joining of these bolts. So in order to make a flag with Y=89 cm, 2 bolts of fabric needed to be joined. Such a flag was called a 2 幅 “Size 2, Futa-Haba (also written simplified as 巾 and read Haba, meaning width)”. The largest battleship flag used for ceremonies had Y=360 cm, which required 8 bolts to be joined, so it was a “Size 8”, or “Hachi-Haba”. 

Each ship would have carried several different sizes in quantity, so size markings had to be readable in the flag’s folded state. Therefore size markings are typically found at the top foist-side edge. Naval ensigns would be marked with the character 軍 from軍艦旗 (Gunkan-ki) to separate it from a Naval Jack bow flag 船首旗 (Senshu-Ki).

Each class of ship had standard flag sizes for routine cruising, but will typically use one size larger for Ceremonies and Celebrations. Various sizes smaller than the standard flag size for the vessel class were used as extra Battle Flags, as it was customary to put up multiple battle flags in case some were shot off in battle. Metric sizes shown below are approximates.



1.5 幅 100cm x 67cm Standard size for Cutter boats, Launches, Mosquito Crafts, also used as Battle Flags

2 幅 134cm x 89cm Same as above

3 幅 200cm x 133cm Standard for Destroyers, Submarines and Escort Ships, also as Battle Flags on Battleships and Cruisers

4 幅 267cm x 178cm Standard Cruiser size, or as Battleship Battle flag or Ceremonial use on Mosquito Crafts

6 幅 400cm x 266cm Standard Battleship flag size or as Ceremonial flags for Cruisers

8 幅 534cm x 360 cm Ceremonial and Celebration use on Battleships

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dhcoleterracina

That is information that I've never heard before. Very interesting, thanks. 

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A couple of new flags for my collection. A vintage US Shipping Board flag and a very cool M-1946 Vice President color. 

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CavalryCombatant

WOW!  This is absolutely, hands down, the best collection of flags I’ve seen to date.

 

I love your collection of Field Army flags.

 

Do you by chance have any more pictures of the 409th IR flag shown in post #9? 

 

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29 minutes ago, CavalryCombatant said:

WOW!  This is absolutely, hands down, the best collection of flags I’ve seen to date.

 

I love your collection of Field Army flags.

 

Do you by chance have any more pictures of the 409th IR flag shown in post #9? 

 

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The flag is the large regimental size 52” x 66”. Fully embroidered blazon. It has the QM label. 

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44 minutes ago, CavalryCombatant said:

WOW!  This is absolutely, hands down, the best collection of flags I’ve seen to date.

 

I love your collection of Field Army flags.

 

Do you by chance have any more pictures of the 409th IR flag shown in post #9? 

 

CC

The army has the best assortment of flags of all the branches.  I like them all.  

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19 minutes ago, tdurbinmas said:

The flag is the large regimental size 52” x 66”. Fully embroidered blazon. It has the QM label. 

 

 

That flag is way too cool! 
 

Any tips on finding/assessing one like that?  I’d love to own one some day.

 

6 minutes ago, tdurbinmas said:

The army has the best assortment of flags of all the branches.  I like them all.  


They definitely didn’t go chintzy on their flags, that’s for sure! 
 

 

Once again thanks for sharing your incredible collection, it’s been absolute eye candy to look through!

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These are a portion of a collection I just bought.  Some are silk with knotted fringe so they are pre or early ww2. The three part scrolls are also a design of those flags. Most appear to be ww2 or shortly thereafter. During the war many unit colors were issued without blazons, crests or the small scroll in the beak with a motto. They were cranking them out to meet the needs of a war in progress. 

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dhcoleterracina

I'm amazed how you keep pulling great stuff in and envious of the space you have dedicated to the hobby. If that's not enough, you already have your Christmas tree up. Well done. 

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