66cuda Posted May 13, 2021 Share #1 Posted May 13, 2021 I recently acquired this front seam swivel bail helmet with a lieutenant’s stripe on it. The helmet has a couple layers of paint on it. The liner is an MSA. Please tell me the good and bad on this. It was advertised as late WWII I’ll let the picture do the talking and can get detailed pictures for anything you’d like to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 13, 2021 Share #2 Posted May 13, 2021 Perhaps some better close ups of the butter bar and paint layers. The chinstraps look like reproductions based on the loose weave and fussy appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddyd00 Posted May 13, 2021 Share #3 Posted May 13, 2021 Paint looks to be post war 1950s glossy brownish green to me. Liner has WWII innards but can’t see the exterior paint here. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66cuda Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted May 13, 2021 Thanks for the feedback, I’ve got a few more pictures, took them outside on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadawg Posted May 13, 2021 Share #5 Posted May 13, 2021 i agree, chinstraps aint doin anything for me. they appear to be repro. paint on lt bar also looks masked instead of stenciled. i get that nothing is impossible to mark off the area, but it doesnt instill confidence. some good closeups would prob help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66cuda Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share #6 Posted May 13, 2021 I agree on the chin strap out in the sun it definitely does not match. I won’t feel bad about opening it so it fits behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueprint Posted May 13, 2021 Share #7 Posted May 13, 2021 Yep Chinstraps are wrong. There just to brightly yellowish looking. The raised bars on the brass buckle are also wrong. As for the insignia and paint: I like it. Seems that there’s some micro cracking in the lower right corner. Paint on the shell reminds me of that „Munsell-Camo“ which was used in the PTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickman983 Posted May 13, 2021 Share #8 Posted May 13, 2021 I can't tell for certain from the pictures, but is the 2nd LT bar painted over rust/bare metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadawg Posted May 13, 2021 Share #9 Posted May 13, 2021 looking at the close up of the insignia, it looks like a recovery job. straps were just likely added to complete the package. honestly not a terrible lid, but def tampered with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66cuda Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share #10 Posted May 15, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 6:24 PM, Nickman983 said: I can't tell for certain from the pictures, but is the 2nd LT bar painted over rust/bare metal? On 5/13/2021 at 6:48 PM, shadawg said: looking at the close up of the insignia, it looks like a recovery job. straps were just likely added to complete the package. honestly not a terrible lid, but def tampered with I've taken another close up picture, it doesn’t look like it’s been painted over bare metal to me, but I could be missing something. shadawg, what makes you think the insignia is a recovery? I will say based on the marks on the liner strap and the super loose fit the liner has to the pot I don’t think these have been together for very long. Why are most officers insignia white and this one yellow? Is there a time period or area that one is more prevalent? Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question, I’m just really new to collecting this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted May 15, 2021 Share #11 Posted May 15, 2021 It's a seconds lieutenants insignia (gold / yellow / butter bar) they don't hold this rank very long until being promoted to a first lieutenant (white) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadawg Posted May 15, 2021 Share #12 Posted May 15, 2021 5 hours ago, 66cuda said: I've taken another close up picture, it doesn’t look like it’s been painted over bare metal to me, but I could be missing something. shadawg, what makes you think the insignia is a recovery? I will say based on the marks on the liner strap and the super loose fit the liner has to the pot I don’t think these have been together for very long. Why are most officers insignia white and this one yellow? Is there a time period or area that one is more prevalent? Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question, I’m just really new to collecting this stuff. the abrasions over the yellow, and the specks of green overpaint that appear to be over the yellow. as well as the edges around the bar kind of look like they were picked at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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