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M1 with MSA liner and lieutenant Paint


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I recently acquired this front seam swivel bail helmet with a lieutenant’s stripe on it. The helmet has a couple layers of paint on it. The liner is an MSA. 
 

Please tell me the good and bad on this. It was advertised as late WWII

 

I’ll let the picture do the talking and can get detailed pictures for anything you’d like to see.

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Perhaps some better close ups of the butter bar and paint layers. The chinstraps look like reproductions based on the loose weave and fussy appearance. 

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Paint looks to be post war 1950s glossy brownish green to me. Liner has WWII innards but can’t see the exterior paint here. 
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i agree, chinstraps aint doin anything for me. they appear to be repro. paint on lt bar also looks masked instead of stenciled. i get that nothing is impossible to mark off the area, but it doesnt instill confidence. some good closeups would prob help. 

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I agree on the chin strap out in the sun it definitely does not match. I won’t feel bad about opening it so it fits behind. 

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Yep Chinstraps are wrong. There just to brightly yellowish looking.

The raised bars on the brass buckle are also wrong.

 

As for the insignia and paint: I like it. Seems that there’s some micro cracking in the lower right corner. 

Paint on the shell reminds me of that „Munsell-Camo“ which was used in the PTO. 

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looking at the close up of the insignia, it looks like a recovery job. straps were just likely added to complete the package. honestly not a terrible lid, but def tampered with

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On 5/13/2021 at 6:24 PM, Nickman983 said:

I can't tell for certain from the pictures, but is the 2nd LT bar painted over rust/bare metal?

 

On 5/13/2021 at 6:48 PM, shadawg said:

looking at the close up of the insignia, it looks like a recovery job. straps were just likely added to complete the package. honestly not a terrible lid, but def tampered with


I've taken another close up picture, it doesn’t look like it’s been painted over bare metal to me, but I could be missing something. 
 

shadawg, what makes you think the insignia is a recovery? 
 

I will say based on the marks on the liner strap and the super loose fit the liner has to the pot I don’t think these have been together for very long. 
 

Why are most officers insignia white and this one yellow? Is there a time period or area that one is more prevalent? Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question, I’m just really new to collecting this stuff.

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It's a seconds lieutenants insignia (gold / yellow / butter bar) they don't hold this rank very long until being promoted to a first lieutenant (white) 

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5 hours ago, 66cuda said:

 


I've taken another close up picture, it doesn’t look like it’s been painted over bare metal to me, but I could be missing something. 
 

shadawg, what makes you think the insignia is a recovery? 
 

I will say based on the marks on the liner strap and the super loose fit the liner has to the pot I don’t think these have been together for very long. 
 

Why are most officers insignia white and this one yellow? Is there a time period or area that one is more prevalent? Please forgive me if this is an ignorant question, I’m just really new to collecting this stuff.

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the abrasions over the yellow, and the specks of green overpaint that appear to be over the yellow. as well as the edges around the bar kind of look like they were picked at

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