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Salvage Sailor
On 4/6/2021 at 10:31 AM, Salvage Sailor said:

 

Another Sembler

5th Transportation Battalion

 

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I have another one of these and I believe I misidentified the previous post

 

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5th Division Quartermaster Train?  Or is this the 1930's 1st Battalion 5th Quartermaster Regiment, Sembler Gemsco

 

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The redesignation occurred in 1933, from "Train" to "Regiment".  Hard to say when Sembler Co. was cranking these post exchange pieces out but it was definitely during the 30's.  If the construction style was multi felt applique' I'd lean way into favor a QM Train athletic patch!

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New addition to the family.  3rd Bn., 1st Infantry  Regiment with machine embroidered Indian head.

 

I thought it be cool to show some of the other battalions on cuff of my 1st Bn., 2nd Sig. Co. coat.  The Indian head is the hand embroidered type.  Do note that thick type felt was used (opposed to typical industry standard of Melton Wool) in these early PQMD made unit specific 2nd Division patches that circulated between 1922-1925 (but likely well into 1927 during inventory at hand was exhausted).

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15 minutes ago, kiaiokalewa said:

The redesignation occurred in 1933, from "Train" to "Regiment".  Hard to say when Sembler Co. was cranking these post exchange pieces out but it was definitely during the 30's.  If the construction style was multi felt applique' I'd lean way into favor a QM Train athletic patch!

 

That was my take too, a 1935-ish 1st Battalion 5th Quartermaster Regiment, Sembler Gemsco

 

Here's another one I'm trying to zero in on - Thoughts?

 

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This one was tagged as 141st Field Artillery Regiment, 39th Division, Alabama and Louisiana National Guard 1920's but I'm thinking it's later.

Possibly the 141st FA Regt., 23d Cavalry Division, Louisiana National Guard HQ—New Orleans, LA, 1939–41

 

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The 141st was always attached to the 23rd Cav Div since 1922 and up to 1940 when the all the N.G. and Reserve Cavalry Divisions were disbanded.   Although never as a full Regiment and for a short period of time (1926-27) it was reorganized as the 167th Separate F.A. Bn. (Horse) only to reclaim its former designation.

 

Maybe during WWI the 141st was assigned to the 39th Division and that is where that confusion comes from.  

 

The answer to your question?  The patch was intended to be worn by athletes/rifle/pistol teams of 141st FA  while it was attached to the 23rd Cavalry Division in New Orleans during the mid 1930's up to the early 1940's. 

 

 

 

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On 12/14/2021 at 6:04 PM, kiaiokalewa said:

 

The answer to your question?  The patch was intended to be worn by athletes/rifle/pistol teams of 141st FA  while it was attached to the 23rd Cavalry Division in New Orleans during the mid 1930's up to the early 1940's. 

 

 

That's how I saw this too John, Mahalo for the confirmation.

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Was on Oahu with my buddy Marty and lookie at what we got to play with

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Gemsco  patches

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Now this is an oddball pre war O. D. Border Hawaiian Division patch. 

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And another

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Crooooak! 

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Oops did it again. 

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Not everyday you see a HSCAB embroidered on felt. 

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You're killing me.....

 

Not nearly as good as those, but it is a Pineapple Army pile of patches

 

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Oh, it's not done. 

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Some wolfies! 

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I do love them arrowhead taros and lookie 11th Medical Regiment Hawaiian Division patches (maroon disc instead of the standard scarlet color) 

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Will have to do that next time when I make back on your "Rock"  and  see good ole' Marty again.  I'll post some of his Hawaiian Department CAC uniforms in the uniform section a little later on. 

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Good ole' Marty was plenty happy to get his Christmas gift this year.  And how fitting that Kaufman aka Tredhed did a nice article for the Trading Post covering the four "waffles" of which is now complete in Marty's holdings!!! Merry Christmas pal. 

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The elusive 95th Division multi branch series patch for Infantry. 

This example is 1000% authentic.  Tough to determine from only the front as this appears just like the many, many reproduction out there.  The addition of the dual chain stitch bobbin thread backing seals  the deal here.  Out of 10 bids I was number 9.  

 

The OQMG spefication on the diameter of this short lived series is rather small and if I can recall correctly is at 2 7/8" making it one of the smaller shoulder insignia of the era.  

 

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I only have one, it's on uniform, and the dimension matched the size specification in OQMG files.  Quite happy to have what I got and at the time of finding this (about 7 or 8  years now) on eBay it was a total sleeper.  The winning bid plus shipping out here to Hawaii was under $35.00 plus it was around Christmas  which made it all the more special. 

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An excellent example of how the troops of 1st Battalion received their patches from their respective Supply Sergeants.  More details regarding this "blank" is covered in the thread below.

 

              https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/375355-real-or-fake-world-war-iworld-war-ii-second-infantry-division-patch/

 

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Hawaiian 'Taro' Division on felt

probably for a pennant or athletic item

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18th Field Artillery, Sembler Gemsco

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Coat of arms
Shield:  Azure, three bendlets sinister Argent, a bend double-cottized potente counter-potente Or; on a canton Gules a mullet within a fish-hook fesswise, ring to dexter and barb to base, of the second (for the 5th Field Artillery).

Crest:  On a wreath of the colors Argent and Azure an eagle's head erased Or gorged with a collar Sable charged with a Lorraine cross of the first.
Shield:  The shield is the shoulder patch of the 3rd Division, the bend and bendlets are from the arms of Champagne. The canton indicates the parentage of the regiment. The fishhook and Star are from the coat of arms of the 5th Field Artillery; the union battle line of Gettysburg was in the shape of a fishhook and the corps badge of Slocum's 12th Corps was a star.

Crest:  The crest is from the coat of arms of St. Mihiel.

Motto:  The motto is an extract from the citation received by the 18th.


The coat of arms was originally approved for the 18th Field Artillery Regiment on 18 May 1923. It was amended to correct the blazon on 12 July 1928. It was redesignated for the 18th Field Artillery Battalion on 4 September 1943. The insignia was redesignated for the 18th Artillery Regiment on 18 November 1958. It was again redesignated for the 18th Field Artillery Regiment effective 1 September 1971.

 

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On 4/5/2021 at 9:55 AM, Salvage Sailor said:

Interwar patches from the Territory of Hawaii

 

Hawaiian Department (No-So Shoulder Sleeve Insignia Attaching System)

 

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Interwar Hawaiian Division (No-So Shoulder Sleeve Insignia Attaching System)

 

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Another No-So version of the Hawaiian Division

 

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Hawaiian Coast Artillery Brigade, all Felt

 

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Hawaiian Coast Artillery Brigade (No-So Shoulder Sleeve Insignia Attaching System)

 

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Hawaiian Coast Artillery Brigade

 

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64th Coast Artillery, Fort Shafter, T.H. (Pennant felt patch)

 

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64th CAC Uniform with HD patch

 

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Period Photo:  Sembler 21st Infantry Regiment athletic patch in wear

 

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3rd Engineer Regiment 'The Beavers'

 

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11th Medical Regiment, Hawaiian Division

 

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Hawaiian Department - First Class Gunner & Gun Pointer, Coast Artillery 1923

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Complete Hawaiian Division 'No-So' next to a blank felt example missing the metal disks. I just found this at a local Texas show for a very nice price.

 

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Air Corps - Sembler Gemsco 1930's

 

SG 6th Composite Group

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SG 9th Bombardment Group

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SG 18th Pursuit Group

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'Surrendering Chicken'

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SG? (not sure if interwar, could be later) 20th Pursuit Group

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SG USAAC Technical School

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SG Air Corps Training Wings

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SG USN Wings

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Don’t have much interwar stuff in the collection, but I do have these to add to the thread.
 

The Hawaiian Department on left was removed from a heavily moth eaten and damaged period uniform I found on a dealers table one Sunday, no one wanted it for the $10 they were asking due to condition.  When I removed it from the uniform it was sewn to the sleeve via the D ring on reverse. The example on right is still on the original card. For more information on these types patches see the excellent article in the April-June 2002 edition of the American Society of Military Insignia Collectors’ journal the Trading Post.

 

The Hawaiian Division piece is similar to the Hawaiian  Department piece shown in post #59. 

 

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2nd Infantry Regiment

Sembler Gemsco 1930's

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"Noli Me Tangere"
(Do Not Touch Me)

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 In August 1922 the 2nd Infantry Regiment was redesignated a combat regiment and the 2nd and 3rd Battalions were reorganized using personnel from the 54th Infantry. In March 1923 the regiment was assigned to the 6th Division. Headquarters and 1st Battalion stayed at Fort Sheridan, 2nd Battalion was at Fort Wayne (Detroit), Michigan and 3rd Battalion was at Fort Brady, Michigan. Colonel Frederick B. Shaw, who wrote a history of the regiment, commanded from 1928 to 1930. Between August 1922 and October 1939 no major changes were made and the 2nd Infantry Regiment participated in garrison training, maneuvers, field training and other duties.

 

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