Last night's American Pickers.......02/15/2021

[manayunkman]

Speaking of reality TV.

 

A few years back 2014 or so Dave Hester from Storage wars is at Kobey’s Swap Meet in San Diego.

 

At this time he was off the show and was humping junk every weekend at Kobeys.

 

I also attended the swap meet every weekend and had bought a few things from him.

 

One weekend he calls me over to ask about a Nazi flag.

 

Im really not interested Dave, what am I going to do with that?

 

He shows it to me and I low ball the price to show how little I care about it.

 

He wasn’t into that, so in front of everyone he takes the flag and drapes it like a scarf over his shoulders.

 

Within a flash of an eye an old man comes up behind him and blind sides him with a punch that knocks him to the ground.
 

The police came, what a production!!

 

I wish I had used my phone to film that. 

 

 

[67Rally]

On 2/18/2021 at 10:20 AM, cutiger83 said:

 

I have a niece in high school right now and this is simply NOT true.  They are taught about WWII in greater detail than you mention. But if you think about it, we have had over 80 years of additional history since the start of WWII. We have been thru the Korean War, Vietnam, Gulf War, Afghanistan, etc etc etc. We have had astronauts land on the moon. We have seen development of ALL kinds of historical accomplishments. While you may care only about the history of WWII, it is not the only history of our country. 

 

When U.S. history is taught in college students can get into greater detail. In high school, do you want to gloss over ALL other history just to go into extensive detail about the 6 years of WWII? Vietnam War, Korean War and Afghanistan veterans would say something about that. 

Blanket statements being what they are, the truth is a mixture of different experiences. My oldest daughter is in her junior year at University and she shares with me what is being taught and it is downright appallingly inaccurate. She has taken a lot of history classes and all but one paint the U.S. as the aggressor against Japan. Also, that the U.S. military "industrial complex" was supporting Hitler and pushing him towards war, asserting that the U.S. inserted and funded Hitler.

[Thor996]

44 minutes ago, 67Rally said:

Blanket statements being what they are, the truth is a mixture of different experiences. My oldest daughter is in her junior year at University and she shares with me what is being taught and it is downright appallingly inaccurate. She has taken a lot of history classes and all but one paint the U.S. as the aggressor against Japan. Also, that the U.S. military "industrial complex" was supporting Hitler and pushing him towards war, asserting that the U.S. inserted and funded Hitler.

 

and she's still paying to attend this 'university'?

[cutiger83]

On 2/16/2021 at 8:01 AM, pararaftanr2 said:

Did anybody watch it? I know it's scripted and not "real", but once in a blue moon they have some militaria on. Last night they visited a mixed US and German WW2 collection in Pennsylvania. I wonder if the owner is a member here? There was a restored WW2 jeep in the driveway and a basement full of mostly WW2 helmets and a few mannequins. Right off the bat, Danielle was uncomfortable with the swastikas on some of the German items. Of course they were blurred out on screen. Later she commented that she knew little about WW2, as she was taught nothing about it in school? Anyway, they ended up "buying" two antique German mechanical toys, a pair (supposedly) of Queen Victoria's stockings and a 1920's vintage child's WWI-type uniform. No interest apparently in the real WW2 items in the collection, other than a nice A-2 attributed to a B-17 crewman. Looked to be in decent shape and was a size 42 with "Hell's Angels" painted across the shoulders in yellow and red. The "expert" they called gave a low-ball price estimate because it didn't have more colorful artwork on the back. Wisely, the collector hung on to that one. 

I just got a chance to watch it. I came away with a different impression. Yes, Danielle mentioned the swastikas made her uneasy but it was one sentence in the entire episode and it was not dwelt on. I interpreted it more to mean the tragedy during war than the items themselves.  Yes She mentioned not learning about WWII in school but I think that was more along the lines to fit what the collector was saying so it could have been editor licensing. 

 

She mentioned the gold star flag. At the end she mentioned how important it was to keep and remember all of these items. The toy gun from the 40's that shot wooden bullets they bought was really cool. I saw them loading the grill of a jeep in the truck. I would love to have that one.

 

I also liked the other story line where the man would get practice bombs after the planes had finished dropping them around Cape Cod. 

 

While this is reality TV and it all needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I enjoyed it and found nothing wrong. 

 

...Kat

[67Rally]

4 hours ago, Thor996 said:

 

and she's still paying to attend this 'university'?

Unfortunately, yes.

[Thor996]

13 minutes ago, 67Rally said:

Unfortunately, yes.

 

That's just plain scary that they are teaching BS like that .

[67Rally]

5 minutes ago, Thor996 said:

 

That's just plain scary that they are teaching BS like that .

At least my daughter has a good foundation and wisdom beyond her years so it isn't sinking in. The same can't be said about the other students.

[Thor996]

9 minutes ago, 67Rally said:

At least my daughter has a good foundation and wisdom beyond her years so it isn't sinking in. The same can't be said about the other students.

 

Thank God she does. When I went to college in the 90s I played the game. Take the BS they were feeding me and spit it back out to get the grade. believed none of it.

[Blacksmith]

14 minutes ago, Thor996 said:

 

Thank God she does. When I went to college in the 90s I played the game. Take the BS they were feeding me and spit it back out to get the grade. believed none of it.

I suspect a lot of that may have to do with where you go to school.  The universities I went to weren't like that - which is why I attended them.  They were both fairly rural, in agricultural areas.

 

However, maybe a lot of that has changed in the last (ugh) 30 years.  

[Thor996]

1 minute ago, Blacksmith said:

I suspect a lot of that may have to do with where you go to school.  The universities I went to weren't like that - which is why I attended them.  They were both fairly rural, in agricultural areas.

 

However, maybe a lot of that has changed in the last (ugh) 30 years.  

 

Mine was in the Sunshine State. Granted it was in an urban area, but there definitely was a hard slant to the professors.  Without getting political or one sided as I really don't want to steer the thread in that direction, I found it best just to regurgitate certain things - I wasn't a right out of HS kid when I attended , so I had a good background in subjects before I attended. I did a lot of my own research and critical thinking. It was also pre- internet days- or actually the internet was in it's infancy and we were not allowed to cite web sites for papers. I suspect that has all changed now.  

 

[ajbUSWM]

6 hours ago, 67Rally said:

Blanket statements being what they are, the truth is a mixture of different experiences. My oldest daughter is in her junior year at University and she shares with me what is being taught and it is downright appallingly inaccurate. She has taken a lot of history classes and all but one paint the U.S. as the aggressor against Japan. Also, that the U.S. military "industrial complex" was supporting Hitler and pushing him towards war, asserting that the U.S. inserted and funded Hitler.

 

Actually it going to get much much worse... bad people  will soon start an all out assault on our service men and military history.   This isn't a theory ... it began over a decade ago in our universities (as you noted above) and they will smear our war heroes just as they have our police.

 

There was a book published (I will try to find the name) by a socialist professor at an American university where she claimed that American soldiers were not only evil civilian killers .. but that the 1944 invasion of France was "unnecessary" and actually an assault on the French people who did not want to be rescued; they were happy with the Nazi occupation ( I am not kidding nor exaggerating).   Of course social media will have block, censor or destroy the countless hours of footage of newly liberated European civilians celebrating their freedom from the Nazis ... based on recent events... I am sure social media is up to the task.    

 

I predicted such anti U.S. military books would start infecting our children ... but now realize they are ahead of schedule and we are only a few years before it has metastasized.   What do we do about it?  not sure .... outlaw the 1619 project for one.

 

Wouldn't it be telling if you are not only evil for collecting Nazi or Italian items, but labeled as evil if you collect American artifacts as well? 

 

67Rally... have your daughter video those fake history professors and post it online...  transparency is a good disinfectant.  Our history, good and bad, must be preserved .... not rewritten.

[cutiger83]

Back to the subject the OP is TRYING to discuss in this thread rather than trying to destroy higher education.....

 

The children's uniform was a WWI uniform which the collector said was very rare. He said there are many examples of WWII children's uniforms but WWI examples are very rare. Someone in this thread thought $400 was too high for this uniform. How rare is a WWI child's uniform?

 

...Kat

[manayunkman]

They aren’t that rare.

 

Some are hard to sell.

[Blacksmith]

7 hours ago, cutiger83 said:

Back to the subject the OP is TRYING to discuss in this thread rather than trying to destroy higher education.....

 

The children's uniform was a WWI uniform which the collector said was very rare. He said there are many examples of WWII children's uniforms but WWI examples are very rare. Someone in this thread thought $400 was too high for this uniform. How rare is a WWI child's uniform?

 

...Kat

A major part of the OP’s initial observation had to do with the reaction to German militaria - including blurring some of it.

 

To discuss that perspective, and its basis, seems to be an incredibly important conversation.  It ultimately affects all of us, irrespective of what specifically we collect.  
 

Robert reopened the thread, with guidance, as it’s up to a moderator to ensure conversations don’t stray from appropriateness - not members.

 

Whether it makes one comfortable or not, the fact of the matter is that most children likely spend more of their day - in non-COVID conditions - with teachers than parents.  As such, the content of school time is incredibly formative. And we fund all of that, the rooms, the books, the teachers, and so forth.  One might consider us, I dunno, a customer?

 

I respect that these types of conversations, along-side other core social issues, are difficult.  That said, until we start actually talking - versus trying to silence one another because their words make us uncomfortable - we’re never going to move forward.

[cutiger83]

26 minutes ago, Blacksmith said:

 

I respect that these types of conversations, along-side other core social issues, are difficult.  That said, until we start actually talking - versus trying to silence one another because their words make us uncomfortable - we’re never going to move forward.

 

There is a distinct difference between having conversations and pushing conspiracy theories. I have no problem with discussions but when people start spouting ridiculous conspiracy theories, it needs to stop. Is it moving forward to state ludicrous claims that social media will edit historical video footage or try to push books that you can't remember the name? And yes I did a search on an unnecessary invasion of France and found one book written by a USAF LT Col "Overlord, the Unnecessary Invasion" where he was talking about how Germany was basically already defeated. There are all sorts of quack authors from all sides of the spectrum. Don't spout conspiracy theories based on one quack author.  There are all sorts of teachers/professors with all sorts of views. Don't judge all colleges/professors based on a few. Don't judge the many by the few. It is a VERY slippery slope if we believe conspiracy theories based on a few quacks. 

 

I watched the episode and had a different impression. I did not notice any blurring of artifacts. I did not believe she was horrified by the artifacts but rather by the tragedy of the war. At the end she was talking about how important it is to save these artifacts.

 

How many people in an uproar in this thread actually watched the episode?

 

 

[Thor996]

22 minutes ago, cutiger83 said:

 

There is a distinct difference between having conversations and pushing conspiracy theories. I have no problem with discussions but when people start spouting ridiculous conspiracy theories, it needs to stop. Is it moving forward to state ludicrous claims that social media will edit historical video footage or try to push books that you can't remember the name? And yes I did a search on an unnecessary invasion of France and found one book written by a USAF LT Col "Overlord, the Unnecessary Invasion" where he was talking about how Germany was basically already defeated. There are all sorts of quack authors from all sides of the spectrum. Don't spout conspiracy theories based on one quack author.  There are all sorts of teachers/professors with all sorts of views. Don't judge all colleges/professors based on a few. Don't judge the many by the few. It is a VERY slippery slope if we believe conspiracy theories based on a few quacks. 

 

I watched the episode and had a different impression. I did not notice any blurring of artifacts. I did not believe she was horrified by the artifacts but rather by the tragedy of the war. At the end she was talking about how important it is to save these artifacts.

 

How many people in an uproar in this thread actually watched the episode?

 

 

We can agree to disagree. I have strong opinions of the inherent evils of the social media platforms and their censorship and convolution of facts and colleges that I feel are pushing an agenda, but I remain committed to staying on the topic of the thread. So yes, I watched it twice. Shut it off twice. My original perception of the episode remains the same. And to Blacksmith's point, there WERE plenty of swastika photos [the capture photos] and the top of the helmet shown that were blurred out. That's pointless on a 'history' channel show. Regardless of the producer's feelings. Imagine watching a documentary on the 'history' channel and all the swastikas blurred in the old newsreel footage....that's a slippery slope IMHO.

 

 

 

[cutiger83]

3 minutes ago, Thor996 said:

We can agree to disagree.

I watched it twice. Shut it off twice.

 

If you shut it off twice, I assume you did not watch it until the end where she spoke about how important it is to save these artifacts and preserve history. 

 

People should not judge an episode based on one small segment. 

[Thor996]

11 minutes ago, cutiger83 said:

If you shut it off twice, I assume you did not watch it until the end where she spoke about how important it is to save these artifacts and preserve history. 

 

People should not judge an episode based on one small segment. 

I watched it as far as I needed to see it. Almost to the end of the segment. I heard her say that in the first watch thru, don't assume what I saw please. After seeing the blurring of the photos and helmet again the second time, I fast forwarded to the 'expert' quoting the laughable price on the Hell's Angel jacket. At that point I was done. It's junk Teevee pure and simple. I watch that show ONLY to see stuff that I would walk by on my own hunts, not militaria, but stuff I can grab and hopefully sell to buy more militaria. Their shows with militaria are laughable at best. This one was pathetic IMHO.  And I stand by my OP way back at the top.

 

[cutiger83]

11 minutes ago, Thor996 said:

That's pointless on a 'history' channel show. Regardless of the producer's feelings. Imagine watching a documentary on the 'history' channel and all the swastikas blurred in the old newsreel footage....that's a slippery slope IMHO

 

 

 

 

It has been mentioned MANY times on this forum how people believe the history channel is no longer a strictly "history" channel. There is a HUGE difference between historical documentaries and reality tv shows like Pawn Stars, American Pickers and Counting Cars. This was a reality tv show! 99.9% of the time the items being picked are American signs, bikes, motorcycles etc. This is NOT a history show. 

[Thor996]

4 minutes ago, cutiger83 said:

 

It has been mentioned MANY times on this forum how people believe the history channel is no longer a strictly "history" channel. There is a HUGE difference between historical documentaries and reality tv shows like Pawn Stars, American Pickers and Counting Cars. This was a reality tv show! 99.9% of the time the items being picked are American signs, bikes, motorcycles etc. This is NOT a history show. 

yah, no kidding it's not a history show or documentary- still and all I stand by it, it's on that channel and blocking out of the swastika was stupid and that's my OPINION Kat. Maybe they should just change the name of the channel to the 'Unreal Reality Show' Channel then Thanks

[The Rooster]

Who is to judge whats a conspiracy theory and what is not?

Who checks the fact checkers?

Why do "Conspiracy theories" Turn out to be true so often?

Why do folks call TV shows Reality TV ?

lol

I understand fully why a combat vet in WW2 or any war would take souvenirs from

the enemies they fought. Theres not a thing wrong with that. If you risk your bacon

fighting for this country, you are entitled to such trophies.

Theres nothing wrong with that.

I dont collect anything but U.S. militaria because thats my choice.

But there is nothing wrong with people collecting what ever they want or

looking at things from their own view points because afterall thats what this country is about and thats

why people who serve in the military are doing their part to preserve our right to have different opinions

and not fall into lockstep with "approved" viewpoints............. Like some Communist countries I know of.

Personally Ive always liked watching the pickers show. Its taught me a bit about picking and buying and selling.

Its a good show. They have never been into militaria on there. Very seldom.

But its a good entertaining show for antiquing in general.

 

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."

George. S. Patton.

 

 

[The Rooster]

reality tv is a gimmick.

Its entertainment.

 

Its.....

[Thor996]

2 minutes ago, The Rooster said:

Who is to judge whats a conspiracy theory and what is not?

Who checks the fact checkers?

Why do "Conspiracy theories" Turn out to be true so often?

Why do folks call TV shows Reality TV ?

lol

I understand fully why a combat vet in WW2 or any war would take souvenirs from

the enemies they fought. Theres not a thing wrong with that. If you risk your bacon

fighting for this country, you are entitled to such trophies.

Theres nothing wrong with that.

I dont collect anything but U.S. militaria because thats my choice.

But there is nothing wrong with people collecting what ever they want or

looking at things from their own view points because afterall thats what this country is about and thats

why people who serve in the military are doing their part to preserve our right to have different opinions

and not fall into lockstep with "approved" viewpoints............. Like some Communist countries I know of.

Personally Ive always liked watching the pickers show. Its taught me a bit about picking and buying and selling.

Its a good show. They have never been into militaria on there. Very seldom.

But its a good entertaining show for antiquing in general.

 

"If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."

George. S. Patton.

 

 

 

exactly. age old question:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Juvenal Satires

[cutiger83]

2 minutes ago, Thor996 said:

yah, no kidding it's not a history show or documentary- still and all I stand by it, it's on that channel and blocking out of the swastika was stupid and that's my OPINION Kat. Thanks

 

It is fine if you think blocking out the swastikas was stupid. As we both agree, this is reality tv and not a documentary. My point is that jumping from this to spreading conspiracy theories about social media and trying to discredit all college history professors is a gigantic leap that does NOT need to be taken. 

 

I am quite sure we all had teachers/professors that we loved and some we hated. I had some that were crazy and some that were amazing.  I had a high school English teacher that made me hate reading so much that I would not read again until after college.  I had some that made class so interesting it made me want to learn more. College is a small world unto itself. Some crazy people. Some amazing people. Some people I would never forget. And some people I quickly forgot. I did not judge my entire university on the few crazies. 

[The Rooster]

Excellent latin.

 

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is a Latin phrase traditionally attributed to the Roman poet Juvenal from his Satires (Satire VI, lines 347–8), which is literally translated as "Who will guard the guards themselves?" Also sometimes rendered as "Who watches the watchmen?"