5thwingmarty Posted January 20, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 20, 2021 I have had one of these for quite a while, and just picked up the second thinking it would show who the maker was. The first wing in the pattern has a raised Sterling mark, but no makers hallmark. The second wing has an incised Sterling mark and a horizontally oriented diamond hallmark. I cannot discern if the dots inside the diamond are supposed to indicate a letter or some other symbol. They are nicely detailed 1.5" wings, with shoulder and shield details similar to those of Robbins 3" wings, but much more feather detail than a full size Robbins. Does anyone recognize the hallmark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve L Posted January 20, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 20, 2021 Just a thought, not an answer; could it be an Apple hallmark? It kind of looks like an Apple inside the triangle. It would be a different stamp than we see on their full size wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted January 20, 2021 Under a loop, what is inside the diamond are just four round(ish) bumps, as shown in the photo. I don't see anything that looks like an apple under a loop, but I agree in the photo the bigger bump to the left and the upper one on the right do look a bit like an apple. Thanks for you thoughts Steve. Marty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nack Posted January 23, 2021 Share #4 Posted January 23, 2021 Robbins, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share #5 Posted January 23, 2021 With the naked eye, I can almost make the four bumps form an R but I am afraid that is more a factor of me wanting it to be an R for Robbins than it really being that. I have a hard time imagining Robbins caring so much about this sweetheart wing they put a hallmark on it, but not caring enough to give it a crisp hallmark that clearly showed an R for Robbins. I have one WWI Robbins wing to compare hallmarks with, and it has a similar sized diamond, but clearly shows the letters CMR in the diamond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustywings Posted January 27, 2021 Share #6 Posted January 27, 2021 Marty, I have a near-identical 1.5 inch wide Pilot wing with a spelled-out, but tough to see "Bates & Klinke Inc." hallmark. After googling "Bates & Klinke, Inc" I learned Harold Bates and Oscar Klinke established a jewelry and silverware business in 1919 in Attleboro, Mass. They frequently used a small diamond-shaped hallmark consisting of a backwards letter "B" against a correctly-facing letter "K." I believe this might be your mystery hallmark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted January 27, 2021 Russ, I think you nailed it. Thanks for pulling another obscure one out of your hat. Marty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share #8 Posted January 27, 2021 I googled the company and the first site that popped up said "Bates & Klinke are noted for making souvenir silver charms from tourist travel destinations, along with souvenir spoons, brass souvenir plates, medals, keychains, & military insignia." I looked again at my other wing, and although lacking the B & K hallmark, it does have an excised sterling mark with the same unique font as on this item on a website (http://www.silvercollection.it/AMERICANSILVERMARKSB.html): Now I am curious if they made any full size wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted January 28, 2021 Russ sent me a couple of photos of his example of this wing that he said could be shared, so here is the full name on an example of this wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share #10 Posted June 3, 2022 I believe I have found another Bates & Klinke sweetheart in my collection, a nice 1-1/2" Naval Aviator. It has the same distinctive font on the raised sterling mark and also has the same findings. Still don't know if they made any full-sized wings, and now I wonder if they made any other sweetheart wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share #11 Posted August 3, 2022 I found another little Bates & Klinke sweetheart wing. Again not hallmarked, but the details match the other Pilot wings and both pieces have the same distinctive 1/4" wide sterling mark. This wing is even smaller at only 1" in span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted August 3, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted August 3, 2022 And I found another Naval Aviator example on Worthpoint that had the full Bates & Klinke hallmark like on Russ' wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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