stratasfan Posted January 17, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 17, 2021 Anyone know of a place that shows one of each of the WWI PFC patches that are out there? Design, I mean, not version of same emblem patches. But, I'm working on collecting some of these, but so far I have not found a place online that shows which emblems were used on these patches! These are the round wool or twill patches that have an emblem embroidered or appliqued in the center (i.e. Artilllery, Infantry, QMC, Cook, Saddler, etc.). Thanks in advance! Elizabeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted January 17, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 17, 2021 S&S firearms. Use to have all of them at one time or Another not sure if there online. Sent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USARV72 Posted January 18, 2021 Share #3 Posted January 18, 2021 Hayes’s book, WWI Collectors Handbook has few bottom of page 11. Here’s 3 from collection all different mfg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted January 18, 2021 Thanks! I took a look at S&S Firearms, and they only have a few. I think this is going to lead me to start a research thread on this. I might have to get all of mine out and take nice pictures and start something on here! :) Thanks for the help so far! I just am nuts about these patches! 48 minutes ago, USARV72 said: Hayes’s book, WWI Collectors Handbook has few bottom of page 11. Here’s 3 from collection all different mfg. That top Infantry one is really cool, as it is wool appliqued on twill! Rather different! The bottom Infantry is just beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolzer Posted January 18, 2021 Share #5 Posted January 18, 2021 One of my favorite reference books for U.S. Army Chevrons is: U.S. Army Soldiers and Their Chevrons by U.S. Army By William K. Emerson Ltc.and Roger Bender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #6 Posted January 18, 2021 This brings to mind a question I am always wondering about! Why are these WWI PFC patches the rank "chevrons"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolzer Posted January 18, 2021 Share #7 Posted January 18, 2021 Here is a really good online reference for Chevrons. Has a complete list of the Chevrons that you may be looking for. http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/USRk.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #8 Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tolzer said: Here is a really good online reference for Chevrons. Has a complete list of the Chevrons that you may be looking for. http://www.germandaggers.com/Gallery/USRk.php This is it! Thanks! I'm going to be studying this for a bit here! So appreciate you finding this! Look at the pistol and rifle marksman patches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted January 18, 2021 Oh . . . I'm stumped on this one . . .what does that word mean? What did an Artiticer do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILL THE PATCH Posted January 18, 2021 Share #10 Posted January 18, 2021 Pretty sure they fixed all kinds of arms, I think it's spelled wrong, should be artificer. Sent from my moto g(7) play using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolzer Posted January 18, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 18, 2021 The chart had a spelling error. It should be Artificer. The term Artificer means one who works with and weapons. The War Department created this rank during the Spanish American War. Infantrymen who wore the crossed hammers were known as artificers, while their artillery counterparts were mechanics. The chart posted is a good starting point. So let's expand the collection.... there are also examples that were embroidered on a dark blue background. Numerous examples exist. The reference book listed is a must have for chevron collectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted January 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Tolzer said: The chart posted is a good starting point. So let's expand the collection.... there are also examples that were embroidered on a dark blue background. Numerous examples exist. The reference book listed is a must have for chevron collectors. Does that reference book cover these patches? Dark blue background . . . what was the blue for? I'm going to go get mine out and take some pictures to post here. Then I could see what I have! I know most of them, but some are unknown to me. I think they'll be on that chart though! 14 minutes ago, Tolzer said: The term Artificer means one who works with and weapons. The War Department created this rank during the Spanish American War. Infantrymen who wore the crossed hammers were known as artificers, while their artillery counterparts were mechanics. Thanks for the clarification! Mom was looking that word up, and she was guessing it should have been an f in there! So, that patch . . . would it have been used by both Infantry and Artillery, just the position name changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #13 Posted January 18, 2021 Here are most of the ones I have. I'm trying to find the others, as I got a new desk and now nothing is where it had been! -grin- Looks like the top left is a navy blue one! I really like the different varieties. My all-time favorite type is like the second down-far left one. Green embroidery on green wool. But, I really like the different styles and the use of the embroidery and applique for the center emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolzer Posted January 18, 2021 Share #14 Posted January 18, 2021 The reference book listed does cover the chart that was posted and much more. During the 1920's insignia makers used the pre-1920's PFC patterns and embroidered those on the dark blue wool disks. Some National Guard and Reservists wore these. I have a Cavalry and Infantry examples here somewhere, need to find those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #15 Posted January 18, 2021 Oh . . .so the blue/black ones are 1920s and used by National Guard or Reservists? That is cool! I haven't seen a Cavalry one yet! Do you know any of the manufactures that made these? It would be interesting to know some of the places that actually made these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted January 20, 2021 Share #16 Posted January 20, 2021 To answer two of your questions - the round Pfc patches are called "chevrons" because they are insignia of rank, not because of their shape. Yes, Emerson's book covers many of these, but they are basically grouped by branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primoris Scio Posted October 28, 2021 Share #17 Posted October 28, 2021 What is the correct PFC patch for the Ammo Train driver; would it be the quatermaster patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primoris Scio Posted October 30, 2021 Share #18 Posted October 30, 2021 I can now answer my own question, the Wagoner patch below is the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primoris Scio Posted October 30, 2021 Share #19 Posted October 30, 2021 Is there a Veterinary PFC Patch or do they just use the Medical Corps patch? I have not seen a version with the V superimposed on it like the collar disks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share #20 Posted October 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, Primoris Scio said: Is there a Veterinary PFC Patch or do they just use the Medical Corps patch? I have not seen a version with the V superimposed on it like the collar disks. I'm not finding any Vet patch in the list in post #7 . . . There's a Farrier, but no Vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratasfan Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share #21 Posted October 30, 2021 35 minutes ago, Primoris Scio said: I can now answer my own question, the Wagoner patch below is the correct one. Do I remember that a relative of yours was an Ammo driver? I may have an extra of this patch if you are going to be looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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