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How can you tell a WWI Guidon to a WWII Guidon?  I have never really seen anyway to differentiate between the two.  The regiment itself existed in WWI and WWII the same so the unit history can not tell if this is WWI or WWII. 

 

Any help is appreciated.

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WWI ones are bigger.  There may a;so be a QM tag inside the sleeve with a date.  I would say that is a nice WWII one!

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I am of the understanding that Infantry rifle companies in WW1 did not have Guidons, but Artillery Regiments did.....the larger size Infantry Guidons are pre-WW2, but not exactly sure when the size reduction took place.

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In 'The National Geographic', October, 1917 issue. 'Our Flag Number' infantry guidons are neither mentioned or shown. If that means they didn't exist I don't know but Cavalry, artillery, signal corps, hospital corps and engineers are shown and mentioned in the text.

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Interesting, now there's one thing I wasn't aware of, would of seen no reason why the Infantry wouldn't of had a Guidon, but here's L Company 132nd Infantry 33rd Division, late 1919, yes not seeing a Guidon, would think it would be prominent front and center right!

 

 

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I Company 102nd Infantry 26th Division 1919.

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And G Company 315th Infantry 79th Division 1919

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Yes , I have the yard longs from company 'K' 361st Inf 1917 at Camp Lewis and 1919 at Camp Merrit and neither feature a guidon.

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A 30s Infantry Guidons large sized as mentioned.

 

B Co 16th Inf 1st Div NY NY.

 

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G Co 174th Infantry, 44th Division Buoffalo NY.

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Interesting- I never really thought of that, but I don't know that I have seen a WW1 era infantry guidon.  I need to look into that!

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Nirvana, that is fine.  I did not bid on it.  I feel fairly confident that it dates to WWII so I was not interested in it.  If it dated to WWI, which I am very surprised to find that they did not have guidons, I would have won.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin

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Thought I’d add some more photo evidence to this thread……this is a pic of the freshly-returned Battery C of (likely) the 313th Field Artillery Battalion, 80th Division. The pic clearly shows their guidon waving in the wind as they march inland from the docks at Newport News shortly following their arrival at port, late May 1919.

 

 

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As 12thengr stated, no mention of Infantry guidons in The National Geographic, October 1917.

 

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9 hours ago, patches said:

Isn't that strange the Infantry did not have Guidons!


It is, or at least it is on the surface….I would think that somewhere a document will surface providing a reason for it, and with luck I hope to stumble upon it. 

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I would think if the infantry had guidons in WW1 then they would mirror the crossed rifles (M1903s) the Infantry Officers wore on their collars. Post 1923 the Infantry Officer wore crossed 1795 Muskets as they are worn today. 
 

 

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