hyrax222 Posted January 7, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 7, 2021 We all know about price creap, it's inevitable. However, The second smallest contractor for M1905 bayos. was Onieda Limited. As such, they are a challenge to locate in collectible condition. Lately I noticed, what few examples seen, in either year (42-43) have been drawing higher bids. Even the M1905's that have been modified (shortened) are commanding respectible prices. Of course, the M1 by OL is a fine score... The Detroit Gasket does help a bit in this auction 😀 hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikedon Posted January 7, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 7, 2021 I got my M1905 OL in 2000 for less than half that including shipping. It is in very nice condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted January 7, 2021 Share #3 Posted January 7, 2021 The M1905 OL bayonet was the first "long garand" bayonet I ever got. I got it from IMA for $59.95 +10.00 shipping. Nice bayonet you got there! Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 7, 2021 Author Share #4 Posted January 7, 2021 mikedon- Very nice 42 OL! And square fuller to boot! Misfit45- $59 OL? When were those days? I bought my 1st M1905's in the early 80's from IMA. I think I payed $125 then.... Tally of WWII M1905 16" for sale, all sources, in 2020: UFH-307, 162 of these cut to 10" AFH-166, 114 " " PAL- 141, 70 " " UC- 79, 57 " " OL- 104, 27 " " WT- 51, 36 " " Totals=848, 460 So, 55 percent of M1905 bayos dated 1942-1943 were cut. Just my observation. hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 7, 2021 Share #5 Posted January 7, 2021 Checked Gary Cunningham's bayonet book, he has Onieda's M1905s listed as around 150,000 with Wilde Tool lowest at 60,000. Not sure where the seller got his lowest at 20,000. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted January 7, 2021 Share #6 Posted January 7, 2021 The OL marking has always drawn a crowd as a very limited supply. Their prototypes are astronomically expensive and have been since the 1960's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted January 8, 2021 Share #7 Posted January 8, 2021 11 hours ago, hyrax222 said: mikedon- Very nice 42 OL! And square fuller to boot! Misfit45- $59 OL? When were those days? I bought my 1st M1905's in the early 80's from IMA. I think I payed $125 then.... hyraxx222 Actually, I bought the M1905 OL a little after 1984. The person who became a very good friend, introduced me to collecting militaria then. Here's the ad from which this bayonet came, and the bayonet. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #8 Posted January 8, 2021 Nice ad from "Shotgun News"! So fun to read these old ads...So you lucked out and they sent you an OL. It could have been a scruffy UFH! For the price though, either is a great deal. Some of these bayonets are selling for more than a similar condition host rifle! So you may need the rifle as a accessory to your bayonet, rather than the other way around!? hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #9 Posted January 8, 2021 SKIPH- I believe the 20,000 figure is the M1 production figure from Gary Cunningham. hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 8, 2021 Author Share #10 Posted January 8, 2021 Frank- Prototype OL bayonets? I have never seen or heard of such. I don't have access to that information. Where could I find it? hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 8, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 8, 2021 hyrax222- Agree it was the 20,000 production figure for the Onieda M1 bayonets. Just realized I don't have a OL M1 in my collection. Also reaized how much I missed the old "Shotgun News" ads. Had a subscription for about 20 years til ebay came along. Got some good stuff through the paper. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 9, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted January 9, 2021 Ah yes! I first saw SGN in 1974 or 1975. I was 20 yrs. old and hungry for everything in that rag! Every month when it arrived I would thrash it from cover to cover and work the phone and snail mail to scoop up all the good stuff before it was gone. Big phone bills talking to major collecttors who have largely left the stage. I miss them... Then came the Gun List and took alot of SGN's biz away. Then the internet and Ebay, and other auctions and stores. And I fell down that rabbit hole... ...still down here. hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share #13 Posted January 23, 2021 As I commented on: See pic.... Probably fewer than 1000 (my guestimate)exist in this condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9th Infantry Manchu Posted January 23, 2021 Share #14 Posted January 23, 2021 I was watching that out of curiosity. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #15 Posted January 25, 2021 Don't y'all forget, I gave notice. Stand by for indentification of other scarce (I mean rare!) types of M1905/M1 bayonets. hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted January 26, 2021 Share #16 Posted January 26, 2021 I almost bought (bid) on that one last year. Definitely unusual. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share #17 Posted January 30, 2021 I wanted this one too, but $ scant at that time! There are more out there... hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collector2 Posted February 9, 2021 Share #18 Posted February 9, 2021 Hi Forum Members, Some very nice bayonets pictured above. I have been watching this post with interest, especially those last couple of M1 OL sale prices. I have had a US M1 OL 1943 marked bayonet for a couple of years now, cost me AU $75 at a gun show. Not quiet as good as some of those pictured above but still a nice bayonet and scabbard that is very clearly marked. The scabbard is marked B 3/5 N. I noticed that the first photos of the 1942 OL bayonet pictured above appears to have what looks like part of a circle on the back side of the blade, mine has something which looks simular. Any thoughts as to what it might be. Collector2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misfit 45 Posted February 9, 2021 Share #19 Posted February 9, 2021 The mark you see is of two crossed cannons in a circle. They rarely ever are fully formed. Very light strikes. I presume that were struck after the blade was completed and tempered. Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collector2 Posted February 9, 2021 Share #20 Posted February 9, 2021 Hi Marv, Thanks for the quick reply. I have just found it on page 49 of my copy of American Mil. Bay. of the 20th century. I have never noticed the crossed connons before and never heard or seen it mentioned before. Thanks to forum members like yourself, that this is my learning for today. Collector2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted February 9, 2021 Share #21 Posted February 9, 2021 Occasionally you will also find an Ordinance Bomb on the top of the blade, just in front of the guard. Can't recall exactly which maker, and it's not on all of them. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collector2 Posted February 11, 2021 Share #22 Posted February 11, 2021 Thanks for the extra information. Something else to look out for at the next gun show when Covid permits them again. Collector2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyrax222 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share #23 Posted February 12, 2021 Collector2- Very good score! I tend to accept a lower than mint condition artifact when very scarce, this is one of those. Thanks for posting! hyrax222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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